Re: [jakartaee-platform-dev] Prune EJB Embeddable Container?

["Kevin Sutter" <sutter@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Great discussion.
 Keep it up!

I just wanted
to correct something in my original note.  I said the EJB Embeddable
Container was a Requirement.  It's not.  It's an Optional item
per the EJB spec.  My mistake!  :-)

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From:
       "Guillermo
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I don't know if it's still possible,
but TomEE used to support exactly that with the drop-in WAR (only on Tomcat):
http://tomee.apache.org/installation-drop-in-war.html

For me, the question is not about embedded
or not embedded Jakarta EE, but about the future of EJB specifically.


On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 5:56 PM arjan
tijms <arjan.tijms@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Hi,

Back then we discussed whether it would
not actually made more sense to have Java EE as a whole embeddable, not
just the EJB container. Since then we did see the CDI "embeddable
container" and the JAX-RS SE mode, so there's a small trend towards
that goal, but still a long way to go.

Does anyone use the embeddable container
perhaps to add EJB support to say Tomcat?

Kind regard,
Arjan

On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 5:35 PM Andy
Bailey <Andy.Bailey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Hi Guillermo,

Yes you can but they don't support all
the scopes you might need, like SessionScoped.
Personally I am far more concerned about
losing this facility than I am about retaining it in the spec.
Perhaps a wider, more public canvas to
gather usage statitistics outside testing might give us more guidance?

On 21 Nov 2019 17:14, Guillermo González
de Agüero <z06.guillermo@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
I haven't used the embedded container
myself but I assume for testing you'd be able to use any standalone implementation,
no?

El jue., 21 nov. 2019 17:01, Andy Bailey
<Andy.Bailey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
escribió:
The EJB Embeddable Container has a lot
of utility for Unit Testing, at least in enterprise projects I have been
involved in. 
If pruning this from the specification
means losing this ability, this might be a loss to regret.

Andy Bailey

On 21 Nov 2019 16:46, carlos andres de
la rosa <kusanagi12002@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Hello kevin 

i think that we can vote for prune this
if is something that is not widely used and like we discussed the
last Jakarta EE call we can add it later if is necessary

IMHO

Thank you

On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 4:39 PM Kevin
Sutter <sutter@xxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Hi,
This idea came up during our IBM discussions relating to the Pruning Vote
that Steve initiated.  What about the EJB Embeddable Container? 
We provide one because the Spec requires it, but we have no customers using
it (that we know of anyway).  Is the pruning of the EJB Embeddable
Container something we could also put out for a Vote?  Or, is our
customer usage an anomaly and there is industry interest in this artifact? 
Thanks!

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