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Re: [jakartaee-platform-dev] "voting" privileges

The Project lead for any Eclipse Project is usually nominated when the Project is proposed so when the Project is approved, so is the Project lead. It does not make much difference if it is a Jakarta EE spec, an implementation Project or something else like MicroProfile or IoT.


I remember especially for Jakarta Security when Arjan stepped in as a new Project lead he was voted for by the entire team, so there’s usually a difference between a project’s proposal or creation and a Change in Project lead or members later.





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From: Markus KARG
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2019 18:45
To: 'jakartaee-platform developer discussions'
Subject: Re: [jakartaee-platform-dev] "voting" privileges


I think we all agree that with "spec lead" we mean "project lead of a spec project".



Von: jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] Im Auftrag von Wayne Beaton
Gesendet: Freitag, 15. November 2019 18:25
An: jakartaee-platform developer discussions
Betreff: Re: [jakartaee-platform-dev] "voting" privileges


There is no notion of "Specification Lead" in the Eclipse Foundation Specification Process.


An Eclipse project may have one or more "Project Leads". But that role is primarily about ensuring that the team is correctly engaging with the process and liaising with the EMO.



On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 12:17 PM Markus KARG <markus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

In case of JAX-RS the spec lead is not voted and does not necessarily represent the opinion of the active committers. So at least for JAX-RS there would a clear difference between whom you ask.



Von: jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] Im Auftrag von Edwin Derks
Gesendet: Freitag, 15. November 2019 11:16
An: jakartaee-platform developer discussions
Betreff: Re: [jakartaee-platform-dev] "voting" privileges


Hi Kevin,


I have given this some thought and here are my thoughts.


Assuming that every specification has active committers and/or a lead that represents the project who can provide input for the Platform Committers, why shouldn't this suffice? What is exactly the issues that you see there? Is it the impact or sheer amount of work that has not been estimated yet for every specification and/or who is going to do the actual work? Or is it (maybe additionally) not clear yet how feedback loops between specifications and platform should work?


What would it mean if every Committer for the whole platform can start voting? Will that change the weight of the votes, and will that change in the way that it solves the issues that you see?



I hope 'm not completely off with my answer, I want to better understand all of this. :)






On Thu, 14 Nov 2019 at 17:46, Kevin Sutter <sutter@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On our Platform Dev call on Tuesday (minutes soon to be posted here:, we discussed who should be eligible to vote on the Jakarta EE 9 content proposals.  We decided that only thecommitters on the Platform projectwould be eligible.

But, on second thought, I'm wondering if that's sufficient.  The Jakarta EE 9 roadmap that we're trying to get agreement on affects all of the Jakarta EE components, not just the platform.  I know we discussed that the reps on the Platform should be representing their overall interests (including components) and not just the Platform.  But, is that sufficient?

On yesterday's Jakarta EE Updatecall, there was discussion about how much work it is to Jakarta-ize the Specifications.  And, we talked about the work required to do the javax->jakarta package rename (spec, api, tck, compatible impls, etc).  Markus presented and discussed these topics on how they relate to the JAX-RS effort.  Markus is not directly represented on the Platform project -- that is, he doesn't work for or with any of the committers.  He is driving much of the work for the JAX-RS effort.  How do we ensure that voices (like Markus') from all of the Component features are heard and counted when we make the decisions for Jakarta EE 9?

One idea is to expand our eligible voting pool to include any committer on any of the EE4J Specification projects.  I have no idea on how easy it would be discern or filter the various votes, but that seems to be a more equitable means of voting.

Or, we can fall back to our original premise to trust the committer reps on the Platform project to take into account all of the various component's views when they cast their vote.


Kevin Sutter
STSM, MicroProfile and Jakarta EE architect
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