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Re: [jakarta.ee-wg] Budget question
 While we wait for the follow-up response on Michael's question about the Jakarta EE budget surplus, "Reserve" in 2019 & 2020, I have taken the liberty to export the exchange to the Call2Action git issue (2021) request below.  
  1. [ Website Feature] Add the Jakarta EE Budget to its website under Membership Tab as a PERMANENT item #58

PS: Sometimes, there is confusion about a nonprofit carrying "profits" into a new fiscal year. Read more, "Uh Oh. It’s The End Of The Year, And We Have Money Left Over!" I have loved this 2014 short blog since it was first published, always happy to share. 

To anyone who might think that a WG Project, such as the Jakarta group, must spend all its money within the Foundation's Foundation's fiscal year, I want to remind you that that is not the case.  

Our exchanges, especially when conducted publicly, often translate into actions/educating/bringing onboard others, improving the entire ecosystem. In this case, the Jakarta website, tab Membership improvement. 

Amelia Eiras 


On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 1:08 AM Steve Millidge (Payara) <steve.millidge@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Yes $ is 1000s in that budget.

 

Steve

 

From: jakarta.ee-wg-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx <jakarta.ee-wg-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Markus KARG
Sent: 15 December 2020 08:36
To: 'Jakarta EE Working Group' <jakarta.ee-wg@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [jakarta.ee-wg] Budget question

 

I'd kindly like to extend the request to also see the actual expenses 2020, and I'd kindly ask to clarify that "$" does not mean "Dollar" but "Thousand Dollars", correct?

-Markus

 

 

Von: jakarta.ee-wg-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jakarta.ee-wg-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] Im Auftrag von Michael Minella
Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. Dezember 2020 06:08
An: jakarta.ee-wg@xxxxxxxxxxx
Betreff: Re: [jakarta.ee-wg] Budget question

 

Will, 

 

Thank you Will for this. I want to take a minute and make sure I understand what I'm looking at as well as how it compares to my request. Specifically, the doc you linked to shows the 2019 and 2020 budgets as approved by the Steering Committee. If that is correct, that addresses half of my ask.


The other half of my ask is for the actual expenditures for 2019. I know when I do a budget for a given year, I look at the actuals from the previous year more than the previous year's budget due to changes that may come up through out the year. In order to understand a given year's budget I believe you need to be able to see what was actually spent the prior year. Is that something that is available? If so, a link to that would also be helpful. Thanks in advance!

 

Thanks,
Michael

 

From: jakarta.ee-wg-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx <jakarta.ee-wg-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx> on behalf of will.lyons@xxxxxxxxxx <will.lyons@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 9:58 PM
To: jakarta.ee-wg@xxxxxxxxxxx <jakarta.ee-wg@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [jakarta.ee-wg] Budget question

 

Michael -

For 2019 and 2020 budgets see the following presentation that was publicly delivered December 11, 2019 at a Jakarta EE Update Call:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_Ap6yjyUnmJ2X6VpHul2jlVazAEzMU5x/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/16xP9-kEidAB6s_TEDPimSBCS2T5XNczc

I believe the links above remain public - let me know if you have problems accessing.

The 2020 plan and budget were unanimously approved by the Jakarta EE Steering Committee. 

Please let me know if you have questions about this.

Thanks

Will

On 12/14/20 4:40 PM, Amelia Eiras wrote:

Michael, 

 

Below, please see the available public budget tracing, while we wait for openness:

 

·        Steering Minutes - July 31st, 2018 The EF proposed to the Jakarta EE Working Group a USD 2,455,000 per year. 

·        A 3-year Membership commitment was required while the budget was being forged. 

·        It was agreed that the 2018 cost were USD 0 Steering Minutes for Sept. 11th, 2018

·        The budget vote was not unanimous. In Jakarta EE WG, a veto vote is not possible.  

Those of us involved in the conversations worked tirelessly on the budget via excel sheet, that is in 1 of the minutes either Marketing or steering but I cannot recall which meeting as I was one of the Jakartees, heavily prioritizing cutting the proposed budget. 

 

I believe that the ecosystem community can accomplish work. Lower fees are beneficial to the entire ecosystem and its vibrant future. I hope that when conversations about the fees/budget starting in 2021, marks the ending the 3year membership agreement on December 31st, 2021, THAT THIS Community, Participant Members, contributors, committers, anyone who cares about Jakarta EE and is interested in contributing is in the room participating on the 2022 onward budget discussions. 

I believe that when everyone understands that the success of Jakarta EE is not and must not be focused on its budget but in its community involvement, we will all be better contributors to the project. 

The #ossDOERs (within the companies currently investing so much time, resources, money -the WG fees and the independent Jakartees) are the ones the single most important not replaceable variable who must be. Contributors from all cultures, globally located, with diverse expertise are the ONES who can help create, decommission, dream, and sustain the code and documentation and simplify Jakarta EE. 

 

With this, I personally thank you, Michael, for caring to ask for transparency via this forum. For protecting your resources money and people while your company helps Jakarta EE move forward with its rebranding into open source. 

 Should you want to go further and maybe jump into the thread I started on Committee calls being public or at least recorded and added to the Jakarta EE Youtube playlist, check out: [jakarta.ee-wg] Jakarta EE Working Group Charter requires attention] Committee Calls "private" vs. "public" + Misc - dated August 5th, 2019 that explains why the vacuum working back then and what some of us expect and hope will be the future of Jakarta EE as 2021 arrives. 

 

 

 

 

On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 12:35 PM Michael Minella <mminella@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Just to make sure we are all on the same page for what I'm asking for. I'm not asking for documents that I would consider new. I'm asking for:

·        The actual expenses for calendar year 2019.

·        The approved budget for calendar year 2020.

Both of these, I would have expected to have been approved/resolved/etc nearly a year ago. Looking ahead, what is the process for making these publically available?  Thanks in advance!

 

Thanks,
Michael Minella

From: jakarta.ee-wg-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx <jakarta.ee-wg-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx> on behalf of Tanja Obradovic <tanja.obradovic@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2020 3:02 PM
To: Jakarta EE Working Group <jakarta.ee-wg@xxxxxxxxxxx>; David Blevins <dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [jakarta.ee-wg] Budget question

 

@David I will report back on Jakarta EE budget on this mailing list, but I am sure the Board information will be shared at the appropriate forum as well.

Best,

Tanja

On 2020-12-10 3:52 p.m., David Blevins wrote:

On Dec 10, 2020, at 12:50 PM, Tanja Obradovic <tanja.obradovic@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

 

Hello All,

thank you for your question regarding the budget!

This is absolutely intended to be public information, but please bear with us as we are working with all of our working groups to finalize their budgets in preparation for our Board to approve the overall EF budget. Stay tuned and we will be back shortly.

This is great news.  Can we share our plan PDF as well once that has been by the board?

 

 

-David

 

On 2020-12-10 3:27 p.m., Werner Keil wrote:

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