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Re: [jakarta.ee-spec] [jakartaee-platform-dev] Question about EFSL notice

Tom,
Your changes look to be right in line with what was requested.  Thanks!  I approved the PR, but since I don't have write authority to your repo, I don't count... :-)


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From:        Tom Jenkinson <tom.jenkinson@xxxxxxxxxx>
To:        jakartaee-platform developer discussions <jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc:        Jakarta EE Specification Community Discussions <jakarta.ee-spec@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date:        06/10/2020 06:27
Subject:        [EXTERNAL] Re: [jakartaee-platform-dev] Question about EFSL notice
Sent by:        jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx




I have provided a PR for Jakarta Transactions to meet https://github.com/eclipse-ee4j/jta-api/issues/95as https://github.com/eclipse-ee4j/jta-api/pull/98/filesbut I am now not sure if it is correct to do so now. Please could someone confirm?

On Thu, 14 May 2020 at 19:49, Kevin Sutter <sutter@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On second read, Lukas, you are correct.  The cited usage in your note should not be changed since it's treated as a template for derivatives.  Sorry I missed that!  And, now I created all of those Issues for the Spec Projects...  Dang it!  That will teach me for attempting to be efficient...

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From:        
Lukas Jungmann <lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx>
To:        
jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
Cc:        
Jakarta EE Specification Community Discussions <jakarta.ee-spec@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date:        
05/14/2020 11:42
Subject:        
[EXTERNAL] Re: [jakartaee-platform-dev] Question about EFSL notice
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Hi,

On 5/12/20 6:22 AM,
Hussain.NM@xxxxxxxxxxxxxwrote:
> Thanks for the clarification.
>
>     Permission to copy, and distribute the contents of this document, or
>     the Eclipse Foundation document from which this statement is linked,
>     in any medium for any purpose and without fee or royalty is hereby
>     granted, provided that you include the following on ALL copies of
>     the document, or portions thereof, that you use:
>
>       * link or URL to the original Eclipse Foundation document.
>       * All existing copyright notices, or if one does not exist, a
>         notice (hypertext is preferred, but a textual representation is
>         permitted) of the form: "Copyright © [$date-of-document] Eclipse
>         Foundation, Inc.<<url to this license>>"
>
> Should <<url to this license>> also be replaced with
>
https://www.eclipse.org/legal/efsl.php?


there was exactly the same question some time ago[1] and answer given was:

"This part of the license is instructions for how you're supposed to
update the document if you make a derivative copy of the document. When
you make a copy you're supposed to fill in
that part with the actual URL to the license."

Based on that I would say that No, nothing on these two lines should be
changed as it serves just as a template and this is not "a derivative
copy of the document". But IANAL and now it is being suggested to do the
opposite, so can someone shed some light into this, please? Or am I the
only confused person here now?

thanks,
--lukas

[1]:

https://github.com/jakartaee/specifications/pull/50#discussion_r309744798

>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
> <
jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx> on behalf of Wayne Beaton
> <
wayne.beaton@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2020 02:51 AM
> *To:* jakartaee-platform developer discussions
> <
jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> *Cc:* Jakarta specification discussions <
jakarta.ee-spec@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> *Subject:* Re: [jakartaee-platform-dev] Question about EFSL notice
> *[External]*
>
>     "Copyright © 2018, 2020 Eclipse Foundation. This software or
>     document includes material copied from or derived from Jakarta®
>     Enterprise Beans
>    
https://jakarta.ee/specifications/enterprise-beans/4.0/
>     <
https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url="">>."
>
>
> +1 (first and most recent year, separated by commas)
>
> Regarding the circle-c and circle-R... the circle-* format is preferred.
> In cases where it is not possible, (c) and (R) can be substituted.
>
> HTH,
>
> Wayne
>
> On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 5:13 PM Ed Bratt <
ed.bratt@xxxxxxxxxx
> <
mailto:ed.bratt@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>
>     I'd ask Eclipse for clarification of what they would like us to do,
>     regarding their notice from the EFSL.
>
>     Since each specification needs this to be updated when it is
>     included in any component, new or revised (This seems to be required
>     by the embedded instruction: [title and URI of the Eclipse
>     Foundation specification document]), I'd add/extend the copyright
>     date with the new copyright year.
>
>     Since the URL (in my opinion) ought to be referring to the normative
>     document, I would point to the
jakarta.ee/specification
>     <
https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url="">>
>     URL. (I would recommend neither of the other two options suggested
>     since those aren't "normative")
>
>     I think we are already allowing prospective material at this site so
>     pointing to that site should be okay, in my opinion. Once it's
>     final, the "under development" markings ought to be removed.
>
>     So, I think I'm almost giving a plus-one for Hussain's initial
>     suggestion, but starting at 2018 since that's the initial copyright
>     of the Specification itself. (I don't know if the circle-c or
>     circle-r will be a problem in some text file formats)
>
>         "Copyright © 2018, 2020 Eclipse Foundation. This software or
>         document includes material copied from or derived from Jakarta®
>         Enterprise Beans
>        
https://jakarta.ee/specifications/enterprise-beans/4.0/
>         <
https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url="">>."
>
>     Regardless what I think -- Eclipse should probably clarify what they
>     would like (initial years, commas, etc.).
>
>     -- Ed
>
>     On 5/11/2020 7:55 AM, Kevin Sutter wrote:
>>     Good, fair questions.  I'm going to re-post this discussion to the
>>     Spec Committee public mailing list to allow some additional input.
>>      (Not everyone from that team follows the Platform mailing list.)
>>      Thanks.
>>
>>
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>>     STSM, MicroProfile and Jakarta EE architect @ IBM
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>>
>>
>>
>>     From: Werner Keil <
werner.keil@xxxxxxx> <mailto:werner.keil@xxxxxxx>
>>     To: jakartaee-platform developer discussions
>>     <
jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>     <
mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>     Date: 05/09/2020 16:18
>>     Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [jakartaee-platform-dev] Question about
>>     EFSL notice
>>     Sent by:
jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>     <
mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>     Ok than go for it, probably just a template saying 2018, the
>>     Jakarta EE 8 year was 2019, so unless there was a Prior art by
>>     Oracle that sounds OK.
>>
>>     Sent from _Mail_
>>     <
https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url="">>for
>>     Windows 10
>>
>>     *From: *_Hussain.NM@cognizant.com_ <
mailto:Hussain.NM@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>*
>>     Sent: *Saturday, May 9, 2020 23:15*
>>     To: *_jakartaee-platform-dev@eclipse.org_
>>     <
mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>*
>>     Subject: *Re: [jakartaee-platform-dev] Question about EFSL notice
>>
>>     Both the javadocs and specification document have copyright year
>>     as 2019 in the Jakarta EE 8 release.
>>
>>     This got me thinking about the URL, there are three possibilities:
>>
>>       * The eclipse project website -
>>         _
https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/ee4j.ejb_
>>         <
https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url="">>
>>       * The github project website -
>>         _
https://eclipse-ee4j.github.io/ejb-api/_
>>         <
https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url="">>(this
>>         does not exist, might be created in future)
>>       * The specification website -
>>         _
https://jakarta.ee/specifications/enterprise-beans/4.0/_
>>         <
https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url="">>(version
>>         specific URL)
>>
>>     Which of the above should be used?
>>
>>     Thanks
>>
>>     Hussain
>>
>>     *From:*
jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>     <
mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>     <
jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>     <
mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx> on behalf of
>>     Werner Keil <
werner.keil@xxxxxxx> <mailto:werner.keil@xxxxxxx>*
>>     Sent:* Saturday, May 9, 2020 08:17 PM*
>>     To:* jakartaee-platform developer discussions
>>     <
jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>     <
mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>*
>>     Subject:* Re: [jakartaee-platform-dev] Question about EFSL notice
>>
>>     *[External]*
>>
>>     I would have thought 2018, 2020 in this case.
>>
>>     Werner
>>
>>     Sent from _Mail_
>>     <
https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url="">>for
>>     Windows 10
>>
>>     *From: *_Hussain.NM@cognizant.com_ <
mailto:Hussain.NM@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>*
>>     Sent: *Saturday, May 9, 2020 11:55*
>>     To: *_jakartaee-platform-dev@eclipse.org_
>>     <
mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>*
>>     Subject: *[jakartaee-platform-dev] Question about EFSL notice
>>
>>     Hi,
>>
>>     The EFSL notice that is included in the API javadocs and
>>     Specification documents has the following placeholder line:
>>
>>
>>     The notice is:
>>     "Copyright © 2018 Eclipse Foundation. This software or document
>>     includes material copied from or derived from [title and URI of
>>     the Eclipse Foundation specification document]."
>>
>>     Should this be changed to reflect the copyright years and the
>>     placeholder should be filled with the specification name and URL
>>     like below:
>>
>>     "Copyright © 2019, 2020 Eclipse Foundation. This software or
>>     document includes material copied from or derived from Jakarta®
>>     Enterprise Beans
>>     _
https://jakarta.ee/specifications/enterprise-beans/4.0/_
>>     <
https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url="">>."
>>
>>     Thanks
>>
>>     Hussain
>>
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