| Re: [jakarta.ee-spec.committee] Requirements for individual specification TCKs |
>What we are doing for EE10 is to duplicate tests that exercise the expected integration points that are most likely needed in the various EE containers. No one was willing to make test reuse a blocking requirement for EE10, so that is the best we can do.
To be honest, this is the gap we should look at urgently instead of saying this is the best effort we can do.
More concerning to me is being able to respond in a timely
fashion to Java SE 21 support since that is actually user facing.
Having said that, we could make completing the refactoring of the
Platform TCK a blocking requirement of the next EE release even if
its comes at the cost of timely Java SE 21 support.
If we plan to block the next EE release until the TCK refactoring
is done, we won't get stuck in the middle of the EE.next release
with an incomplete TCK implementation which was a concern with EE
10 (since we wanted a quick release).
Thanks
Emily
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From: jakarta.ee-spec.committee <jakarta.ee-spec.committee-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx> on behalf of Scott Stark <sstark@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: 06 April 2022 23:08
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [jakarta.ee-spec.committee] Requirements for individual specification TCKsThis Message Is From an External SenderThis message came from outside your organization.What we are doing for EE10 is to duplicate tests that exercise the expected integration points that are most likely needed in the various EE containers. No one was willing to make test reuse a blocking requirement for EE10, so that is the best we can do.
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 4:25 PM Emily Jiang <EMIJIANG@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
_______________________________________________Hi Scott,
> 1. Run the standalone SE based TCK against the implementation jar. The JSONP TCK docs describe how to do this by setting the GAV maven coordinates of the vendor implementation.
In this case, the tests are SE only and they can't be executed in an EE container. How can we ensure to the customers that JSON-P behaves as specified without tests backed up in that context?
e.g. a snake swims well in cold water (e.g. SE). It might not function well in warm water (e.g. EE).
I totally agree with what David said: This is why we run the same test several times, once as a Servlet, again as a JSP, again as an EJB, etc. To go from that to the extreme of it not being testable in a container at all is too far of a departure IMO.
I think it is ok to run some tests in SE container, but these tests should also be executable in EE if the functionalities are applicable to EE.
Thanks
Emily
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Emily Jiang
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IBM United Kingdom Limited
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From: jakarta.ee-spec.committee <jakarta.ee-spec.committee-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx> on behalf of Scott Stark <sstark@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: 06 April 2022 21:46
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [jakarta.ee-spec.committee] Requirements for individual specification TCKsThis Message Is From an External SenderThis message came from outside your organization.Taking JSONP as an example, for EE10 the discussion we had was that the requirements would be:
1. Run the standalone SE based TCK against the implementation jar. The JSONP TCK docs describe how to do this by setting the GAV maven coordinates of the vendor implementation.2. The platform TCK would keep the integration only tests to validate basic container level integration.
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 2:10 PM Thomas Watson <tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
_______________________________________________For EE 10 we have several new individual TCKs. I would like to understand if we established any general policies for how such TCKs are executed. I'm asking for a general discussion about such a policy. But if it helps to have some examples I am referring to the TCKs for the individual specifications JSON Binding, JSON Processing and XML Binding. My understanding of these three individual TCKs is that they are only able to be run directly against Java SE.Tom
From: Scott Marlow <smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2022 12:23 PM
To: Jakarta specification committee <jakarta.ee-spec.committee@xxxxxxxxxxx>; Thomas Watson <tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [jakarta.ee-spec.committee] Requirements for individual specification TCKsThis Message Is From an External SenderThis message came from outside your organization.Is there a specific individual Jakarta EE specification TCK that you are referring to? Perhaps one of the new for EE 10 TCKs?
Scott
On 4/5/22 10:24 AM, Thomas Watson wrote:
Hi all,
It is not clear that the specification committee has discussed and decided on the requirements for individual specification TCK execution (aka standalone TCK). Recent discussions about individual specification TCKs have identified an exposure for a platform implementation to claim compliance for individual specifications that are included in the platform, web profile or core profile. A TCK must be executable within the context of the profile it is included in: platform, web profile or core profile. Otherwise, there is no confirmation that the compliant platform, web profile or core profile implementation functions properly with respect to the individual specification TCK.
Some individual specification TCK teams have indicated the desire to develop TCKs that are only executable outside of a profile implementation and only run directly on Java SE. It is acceptable for specification projects to develop a TCK that can run directly on Java SE. It is not acceptable for that complete TCK to only be executable directly on Java SE.
A TCK can have three types of tests:
- Tests that only apply when running outside of a platform (or profile), such as on Java SE, to test behavior defined by the specification for that mode of execution.
- Tests that only apply when running in a platform (or profile) to test behavior defined by the specification for that mode of execution.
- Tests that apply to the behavior defined by the specification for all modes of execution.
The tests of type 2 and 3 must be able to be executed in the context of the profile they are included in: platform, web profile or core profile.
We want to discuss proposing the following requirements for individual specification TCKs within the specification committee:
- The individual specification TCK must provide a profile-ready mechanism for running the required TCK tests (types 2 and 3) in the profiles they are included in: platform, web profile or core profile. Type 1 tests must be excluded and not required to be executed.
- The individual specification TCK must provide a mechanism for running the required TCK tests (types 1 and 3) outside the context of a platform or profile such as on Java SE. Type 2 tests must be excluded and not run.
- It is important that type 3 tests be run in compatible implementations of the profiles to validate the individual specification implementation functions properly in the profile implementation: platform, web profile or core profile.
Note that we avoided using the term "standalone TCK" because to some the term "standalone" means TCKs that run outside of any platform or profile container.
Thomas Watson
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