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Re: [jakarta.ee-spec.committee] [jakarta.ee-community] [ee4j-community] Eclipse Jakarta EE TCK commiters
I wasn't too worried about the referenced conversation.

This doesn't seem like a spec committee issue, probably more of a PMC issue, but...

I am curious as to whether any group is providing leadership on issues of this sort, or whether this is going to be done entirely bottom up.

Does the PMC want to allow each spec project to choose or create its own test harness for its tests?

Do vendors testing implementations want to run multiple different test suites in order to test their implementations, or should there be an integrated "platform" test suite that will run tests for multiple specs using a single test harness configuration?

Should there be any required consistency in the output of a test suite to determine whether the test suite passed or failed?

Will the CTS/TCKs be used as-is for Jakarta EE 8, or will spec projects be allowed to split out their tests and provide them in some different way for Jakarta EE 8?

Will projects be allowed to add tests for Jakarta EE 8, or will Jakarta EE 8 be constrained to testing only what was tested by Java EE 8, ensuring that all Java EE 8 products can also be certified as Jakarta EE 8?

And I'm sure there's other questions I haven't considered yet.  Will any group be responsible for envisioning these sorts of questions and providing answers in advance?  Or will these issues only be dealt with on demand as they come up, and if so by what group?



Richard Monson-Haefel wrote on 9/18/18 2:01 AM:
Apparently my attempt to attach the thread of discussion didn't go so well.  Here is a link to the start of the thread in the jakarta.ee-community mailing list archive.


On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 8:13 AM, Richard Monson-Haefel <rmonson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi All,

Attached is a thread discussing the development of a new test harness for Jakarta EE.  I think this is critical to the future success of the platform. 

We should consider this project as a new addition to the EE4J project. We don't need to oversee it closely but there is a lot of enthusiasm and perhaps by the end of 2019 or 2020 it will be ready for use by the specification process.  

If folks agree we can reach out to the people on the thread and get the ball rolling.
Richard

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From: Cheng Fang <cfang@xxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2018 at 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: [jakarta.ee-community] [ee4j-community] Eclipse Jakarta EE TCK commiters
To: jakarta.ee-community@eclipse.org


I've worked with JTHarness and other parts of cts before, and would be happy to help migrating it.

Cheng

On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 3:56 PM Scott Marlow <smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 6:31 PM Bill Shannon <bill.shannon@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

(Resending to new mailing list address.)

Splitting the CTS project so that each individual TCK is relatively independent is a non-trivial (but not impossible) task.  It should definitely be considered, but it would help to have someone lead that effort who is already familiar with the CTS and the JT Harness framework on which it is built.  Does anyone want to volunteer to do that?

Until that is done, updates to the tests for each API will need to be done in the CTS repository.  We'll definitely need contributors from each API project to update the tests as the API evolves.  If you want to help with that, you should start becoming familiar with the JT Harness framework.

Is help needed to get the CTS migrated over to Jakarta?  I assume we will still use ant (which is a huge improvement over the earlier need for multiple make tools needed on some platforms :-)

Scott
 
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