Skip to main content
[Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next][Date Index][Thread Index] [List Home]
Re: [jakarta.ee-community] [Friends of Jakarta EE Zoom Call] September 23rd @8-9am PDT
ok, last reply here. For users it is confusing with so many groups. With Spring we have Spring. End of story. With Java EE we always had the vendors and JCP/Oracle. But now we have Eclipse, Ambassadors of Jakarta, Friends of Jakarta, Mates of Jakarta, Jakarta Steering, Jakarta Spec commission, and we also still have the vendors and Oracle, and as bonus we now also have Java EE split into EE and MP.

Say I want a new feature. Do I talk about this with Amelia, since she is the leader of the Friends? Or do I talk about this with Ivar who is in Jakarta Steering (leader from Eclipse?), but also in Friends?

And we have mostly the same people in EE and MP, but some people are only in MP, and some are only in EE.

With the last IntelliJ survey we saw Java EE is now much smaller than Spring. Okay, maybe IntelliJ is biased, but is Java EE big enough to have so many different groups? Has anyone thought about how this comes across to the average user?

Ok, don't answer all this. It's only food for thought. Let's end this discussion here.

On Thursday, 24 September 2020, 11:26:12 BST, Werner Keil <werner.keil@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:


Reza,

Just to give you the context of my reply, I simply answered Ed's question which GMail caught into the spam filter and therefore it also refused to "reply to" the correct message.
This is what Ed asked, I guess you may also not have seen it. It's a perfectly valid question and I gave the answer to it:
> To make it extra confusing having yet another Jakarta EE group. Why didn't Amelia just join the Jakarta Ambassadors?  

Of course VMWare, Tomitribe, Oracle, Microsoft or any vendor are free to launch their own private initiatives, but some may find it confusion and distracting or splitting resources that may better be focussed on a common bipartisan goal instead.

Werner 



On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 12:17 PM reza_rahman <reza_rahman@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I really earnestly request we discontinue this particular conversation. I worry this has a high probability of doing more harm than good. We all have value and we can all contribute in our own ways harmoniously, the best way we so want.

Reza Rahman
Jakarta EE Ambassador, Author, Blogger, Speaker

Please note views expressed here are my own as an individual community member and do not reflect the views of my employer.

Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: Werner Keil <werner.keil@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: 9/24/20 5:51 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: Jakarta EE community discussions <jakarta.ee-community@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [jakarta.ee-community] [Friends of Jakarta EE Zoom Call] September 23rd @8-9am PDT

That's a good question, I hope she can answer it ;-)

Based on Reza's remarks about keeping a deliberate balance in not becoming too vendor centric, an observation about the last minutes from the "Friends" call makes that seem a bit more vendor centric, maybe that's a reason she has not joined the Jakarta EE Ambassadors yet...?

Werner 





On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 6:25 PM Edward Moore <edward.moore39@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
To make it extra confusing having yet another Jakarta EE group. Why didn't Amelia just join the Jakarta Ambassadors?

On Tuesday, 22 September 2020, 22:41:19 BST, Werner Keil <werner.keil@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:


Ed,

I believe you asked that before.

The "Friends of Jakarta EE" is a kind of gathering or initiative by Amelia. A loose "Hashtag initiative" like the "Usual Suspects" I'd say ;-)
I don't think the Jakarta EE Ambassadors (https://jakartaee-ambassadors.io/who-we-are/ over 2000, including the likes of James Gosling) are prevented from joining those calls if they like, but there is no relationship or affiliation between them.

Werner Keil | JCP Award Winner, JSR 354, 385 Maintenance Lead | Jakarta EE Specification Committee, Ambassador Leadership Council Member  | Apache Committer

Twitter @wernerkeil | @UnitAPI | @JSR354 | @OpenDDR | #EclipseUOMo

Skype werner.keil




On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 10:58 PM Edward Moore <edward.moore39@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

What is the difference between Jakarta EE Friends and Jakarta EE Ambassadors? Are these the same people? Do they overlap?
On Tuesday, 22 September 2020, 21:24:27 BST, Amelia Eiras <aeiras@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


Another month is almost closing, Q3. The friends' call on this community has the opportunity to connect us. 
By Community, FOR the Community.


PS: I look forward to contributing to a valuable - open conversation, how about YOU?
_______________________________________________
jakarta.ee-community mailing list
jakarta.ee-community@xxxxxxxxxxx
To unsubscribe from this list, visit https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/jakarta.ee-community
_______________________________________________
jakarta.ee-community mailing list
jakarta.ee-community@xxxxxxxxxxx
To unsubscribe from this list, visit https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/jakarta.ee-community
_______________________________________________
jakarta.ee-community mailing list
jakarta.ee-community@xxxxxxxxxxx
To unsubscribe from this list, visit https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/jakarta.ee-community
_______________________________________________
jakarta.ee-community mailing list
jakarta.ee-community@xxxxxxxxxxx
To unsubscribe from this list, visit https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/jakarta.ee-community
_______________________________________________
jakarta.ee-community mailing list
jakarta.ee-community@xxxxxxxxxxx
To unsubscribe from this list, visit https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/jakarta.ee-community
_______________________________________________
jakarta.ee-community mailing list
jakarta.ee-community@xxxxxxxxxxx
To unsubscribe from this list, visit https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/jakarta.ee-community

Back to the top