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Re: [jakarta.ee-community] Code of conduct
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David,
My read is that "additional rules of
conduct and remedial tools specific to Jakarta" would require
Board approval, as it would be an amendment or enhancement to the
existing code of conduct that applies to all. It would actually
have to be a two-step process, as the Board would be looking for
the Steering Committee to request its agreement to such a
document, along with an explanation as to why circumstances
require it.
The "endorsement and affirmation" of
any policy would be the role of of the Jakarta EE Steering
Committee. However, that would simply be a public acknowledgement
of the policy in question, as compliance is already required.
But I am happy to remind all readers
here that compliance with the
Eclipse
Foundation Code of Conduct is required on all EF-related
channels. Further, respectful and professional discourse is always
the best approach, especially when you are passionately
disagreeing with someone. We are all colleagues on these lists.
HTH
On 2020-04-13 1:51 p.m., David Lloyd
wrote:
Thanks for the response Mike, and the pointers. I'd like to clarify
that I'm not proposing changing the code of conduct that applies to
Eclipse as a whole. What I am proposing is twofold: additional rules
of conduct and remedial tools specific to Jakarta along the lines of
what I've outlined above for the reasons I've already given, and also
an explicit endorsement and affirmation from those within the relevant
Jakarta group(s) expressing that the code of conduct and the
consequent ethical implications are in fact something that is core to
the Jakarta community and will be actively applied on a day to day
basis. I believe that neither of these things requires any
intervention by the Board, but if I'm incorrect about that, please let
me know.
I generally won't plea for a more professional tone. In my view,
professionalism and seriousness are mutually necessary, and Jakarta
will be ultimately dysfunctional if either are lacking. As I am not
required by my employer to contribute to Jakarta EE, I (and, I
presume, other would-be contributors) have the luxury of simply
disinvolving myself if I feel that the quality of governance does not
meet (or attempt to meet) my own personal professional and/or ethical
standards. But, I feel I would be remiss if I didn't at least make
some gesture in that direction as opposed to simply walking away, thus
my note.
On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 12:26 PM Mike Milinkovich
<mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
David,
Thanks for this note, as it raises some important topics.
The Eclipse Foundation Code of Conduct applies to all activities held under the auspices of this organization. This clearly includes Jakarta EE. This document has been reviewed and approved by the Board of Directors, and adopting an alternative would require the same level of review and approval. If you have specific revisions to propose, you should discuss them with Red Hat's director and have her bring them forward to our Board. (I am happy to provide an introduction if necessary.)
If you have a specific concern that needs to be raised, I would encourage you to use the enforcement mechanisms described in the existing policy.
If this is intended to be a general plea for a more gentle and professional tone in discussions, that is always welcome.
On 2020-04-13 11:22 a.m., David Lloyd wrote:
The Eclipse Foundation has a Community Code of Conduct [1] that one
would assum also covers Jakarta. But given recent discussions, I
(speaking just as a community member) would propose that it would be
greatly beneficial to the Jakarta community and brand if Jakarta
itself were to specifically adopt an official code of conduct (the
Eclipse one or a more specific one) which governs the experts as well
as the community.
I would suggest that the following areas be covered by such a code:
* Behavior (being respectful, accepting responsibility, honesty,
empathy, safety)
* Content (clarifying objective vs subjective language, being concise
and rigorous, avoiding hyperbole and "argument strategies")
* Remedy (what to do in case of violations, how to correct problems,
how to deal with mistakes)
The behavior area I consider to be what a traditional "project" code
of conduct (such as Contributor Covenant, the existing Eclipse Code of
Conduct or similar) would normally cover. This would cover
unacceptable behavior such as abuse, harassment, trolling, personal
attacks, etc.
Jakarta strives to generate specifications. This is more involved,
difficult, and complex than many "normal" open source projects that
one might find on Eclipse or elsewhere. Because of the special needs
of specifications - particularly, the role of clear, concise, and
rigorously correct language in a coherent specification - I would
propose that clear content and communication is also an area of
conduct that should be covered. Just as we must all work a bit harder
to respect one another, we must also work a bit harder to be precise
in our language, in order to provide the best specifications possible.
Imprecise language goes over the line into misconduct when opinions
are asserted as though they were facts, hyperbolic or bombastic
statements are made to maximize emotional impact, or broad
generalizations or other logically fallacious statements are used
deliberately to derail constructive discussion. When developing a
specification - which is by nature required to be as objective as
possible - these kinds of machinations can disrupt or undermine what
may already be a very difficult endeavor.
Finally, a remedial path is necessary because, as humans, all of us
have (and will) make mistakes. The code should outline a path not
only for the spec committee and other official structures to cope with
problems, but also for those community members who have in fact found
themselves in violation of the code, so that they understand how to
make amends and avoid lingering resentment, which can have a
detrimental long term effect on the community. Many such strategies
can be found in typical autism behavior programs, but are (in my
opinion) actually quite useful for any person who finds themselves on
the wrong side of a behavioral problem and are unsure what to do. In
particular, there seems to be credible evidence that "zero tolerance"
policies neither deter nor repair undesirable behavior.
Having a comprehensive code of conduct which is consistently applied
is, in my opinion, a necessary feature of a serious specification body
in this decade. I believe that the lack of a CoC covering these areas
is a deterrent to participation. I know that it is a deterrent to me,
at any rate.
[1] https://www.eclipse.org/org/documents/Community_Code_of_Conduct.php
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Mike Milinkovich
Executive Director | Eclipse Foundation, Inc.
mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
@mmilinkov
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