| Re: [jakarta.ee-community] [Open Feedback] to this Community via Twitter |
Mark, Mihai, Romain, All,
all you points and concerns are very seriously taken at Eclipse Foundation and we DO NEED every single person already involved with Jakarta EE to stay involved, but also we need community to grow!
The problem you pointed out does not work at all fro anyone and we are addressing it. I am also hoping you all had a chance to read response from Wayne Beaton to the thread. I will copy it here:
"The important difference here is that we're talking about specification work. The intellectual property flows are fundamentally different for specification development than they are for software development.
Due to these differences in intellectual property flows, we need to have extra legal documentation in place for specification project committers in the form of the Working Group Participation Agreement. By signing that agreement, the committer's employer becomes a participant in the working group and subject to the terms of the agreement (which includes participation fees).
That a person cannot become a committer on a specification project unless their employer joins the working group is an obvious hole in our process that we identified with help from the Jakarta EE Working Group's Specification Committee. We're working on filing this hole. Since this is legal documentation, it takes a little time. We're close to ready to roll this out.
FWIW, Romain's committer status has been suspended, not revoked, while we sort this out. What happened... we created the projects that Romain is a committer on before we had a specification process. When we switched those projects into specification process as defined by the newly created specification process, the fact that we didn't have the necessary paperwork in place to support Romain's involvement with specification work required that we suspend his account while it was sorted out. The EMO Records team has communicated this with Romain.
We've come quite a long way from having no specification process 18 months ago to today. As we identify problems, we address them. The patience, understanding, and participation of the community as we push forward with specification work at the Eclipse Foundation is appreciated."
Hope this helps!
Best,
Tanja
I mean, how does this "business model" even work? Are you going to charge contributors for ... working for you!?
I am here struggling to get some cash from doing opensource.I didn't realize I had to ask my other contributors to pay me for the code they write!
Br,Mihai
On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 15:24, Mark Struberg <struberg@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
That probably might have nothing to do with that specific issue. Might have just to do with lack of resources. I would not presume any bad intent in this area, really.
Eclipse always had some 'management tiers' which are mainly about top management buzzword bingo. For those there was always a required fee. I don't care much, as those levels are mostly self-marketing for companies. But the EF guaranteed in the beginning that the _actual work_ would be free of those politics and ANYBODY can contribute.
LieGrue,
strub
> Am 29.01.2020 um 14:13 schrieb Mihai A. <amihaiemil@xxxxxxxxx>:
>
> Now I understand why the tickets I open to various related projects get no answer and nobody seems really interested in them,
> Talking about feature requests, not necessarily bugs.
>
> Cool story.
>
> Br,
> Mihai
>
> On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 15:10, Mark Struberg <struberg@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Talked with him.
> Romain now works for a company which has signed up on a low level Eclipse membership since ages.
> But their 'tier' doesn't qualify for having someone work on an EG or working group it seems.
> So EF seemingly asked his company management to 'upgrade' their account and pay FU****NG 10k just for Romain to be able to continue to contribute. And then they suspended all his Eclipse committership alltogether.
>
> Hell, this is SOOO WRONG on soo many levels. We should be freaking happy to have people like Romain continue to contribute to and support Jakarta EE. But instead his company gets ripped off?
> I mean, this is really odd. This is pure pay to play and a shame for calling itself Open Source!
>
> Dear Eclipse leadership. JakartaEE needs people like Romain. JakartaEE needs other OSS foundations, JakartaEE actually needs the all the community you can get!
>
> JakartaEE is not a standard Eclipse project - don't wreck it!
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
>
>
> > Am 28.01.2020 um 22:25 schrieb Markus KARG <markus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> >
> > What actually was the trigger for Romain's statement?
> > -Markus
> >
> >
> > Von: jakarta.ee-community-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jakarta.ee-community-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] Im Auftrag von Kevin Sutter
> > Gesendet: Dienstag, 28. Januar 2020 21:04
> > An: Jakarta EE community discussions
> > Betreff: Re: [jakarta.ee-community] [Open Feedback] to this Community via Twitter
> >
> > Romain is entitled to his opinion, but I don't agree with it.
> >
> > I belong to and have participated in both foundations -- Eclipse and Apache. Yes, they are different. They both have quirks. But, I do not agree with posting something like this and asking for a discussion. At least not on the Jakarta EE Community forum. We should focus on Jakarta EE issues and questions, and not opinions about the Eclipse Foundation. My two cents worth...
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------
> > Kevin Sutter
> > STSM, MicroProfile and Jakarta EE architect @ IBM
> > e-mail: sutter@xxxxxxxxxx Twitter: @kwsutter
> > phone: tl-553-3620 (office), 507-253-3620 (office)
> > LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinwsutter
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Amelia Eiras <aeiras@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: Jakarta EE Community <jakarta.ee-community@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Date: 01/28/2020 13:31
> > Subject: [EXTERNAL] [jakarta.ee-community] [Open Feedback] to this Community via Twitter
> > Sent by: jakarta.ee-community-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello from Las Vegas Jakartees,
> >
> > with reference to this Tweet
> >
> > <image001.png>
> > If Romain's statements are true, why are they true?
> >
> > Amelia Eiras
> > twitter.com/ameliaeiras
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