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Re: [jakarta.ee-community] Thoughts on JakartaEE
Cen,

It's hard to get a particular statement or desire from your many points. 


I get a "Jakarta EE bad, Microprofile cool" sentiment, but that is not new.
Without Java EE there would be neither Spring nor Microprofile. 
MP is a lot like Spring, but it is still in a very early stage, comparable to Spring 1.2 rather than 2.0, especially when you look at true adoption or answers to surveys. 

Plus Jakarta EE 8 is 1 or sometimes 2 steps ahead of Microprofile specs that have not been upgraded to use Java EE 8 yet. It's a "Dependency Hell" because some need CDI 1.2, others already require 2.x
A large number of Spring projects already uses the new Jakarta EE specs. ;-D

You discovered that EclipseLink has more than Bugzilla and the more recent important ones should be there. Bugzilla has many, but Hibernate ORM alone got 2861 open issues in its JIRA, so does that mean you consider both abandonware? ;-)

The "incremental vs. Big bang" discussion was about refactoring from javax to jakarta namespaces and not how many new specs Jakarta EE 9, 10 or 11 might include. For 8 everything was put in a new Maven Groupid but that is not the biggest effort.
Think of JPA alone there are many XML files referring to Java or JCP. 
Whether all get changed with Jakarta EE 9 or only the most commonly used remains to be seen.

Werner 

carlos andres de la rosa <kusanagi12002@xxxxxxxxx> schrieb am Di., 24. Sep. 2019, 13:46:
+1 taking into account what cen says for me now have more much sense the incremental approach than try to migrate everything at once.

IMHO
 

On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 1:33 PM Emmanuel Bernard <ebernard@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
+1. I like what you wrote Cen. It does matches my perspective as well.


On 23 Sep 2019, at 18:47, cen wrote:

> Hi,
>
> After reading a ton of mailing list material and blog posts I'd like
> to share some thoughts on JakartaEE.
>
> I use a lot of JavaEE and MP daily and contribute to one of MP
> framework implementations.
>
>
> The javax naming is very unfortunate but won't really be a big problem
> for us microservice users since we can update one service at a time.
> Other than refactoring costs I don't see anything problematic, I think
> application server users will have much more trouble.
>
> MP was the best thing that happened to JavaEE because it allowed us to
> take the stable and mature modules from JavaEE and combine them with
> modern approaches that were missing in the spec. Seeing how successful
> MP has been so far, I wouldn't merge the projects but collaboration
> between projects to make specs more interop is welcome. Duplicating
> specs for roughly the same things would be the major fail.
>
> I have mixed feelings about JakartaEE adding a ton of new features to
> attract new users. While some new features would be welcome, I see the
> core modules pretty feature complete. I am not sure people would
> switch massively to JakartaEE for any reason but I do know existing
> developers will probably stay if platform feels alive which was not
> the case for the past few years. As an existing user I am more
> concerned about the state of some important reference implementations
> with long standing bugs which are an annoyance in day-to-day work.
> Looking at bugs.eclipse.org - Eclipselink for example screams of
> abandonware although now that all projects are on github contributing
> is thankfully much easier. I already had some positive experience
> contributing to upstream RI so that's feels good.
>
>
> Best regards, cen
>
>
>
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