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Re: [jakarta.ee-community] Gen Z-based spec [WAS: Jakarta Tech Talk - invite to suggest topic and/or present]
Not a problem.  We can leave it here if there isn’t support within the community at the time being.  

I understand that these are longer term, strategic goals that may not align with other stakeholders although they could have a significant impact on where Jakarta goes from here.  Clouds will evolve and my hope is that Jakarta evolves to support the emerging technologies that will make current systems obsolete.

It is interesting that you mentioned blockchain.  We are incorporating many blockchain technologies into our cloud including decentralized identity services using public blockchains that is interoperable between both public and private blockchains as well as traditional systems.  To be continued.

 
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Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2019 11:18 AM
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Subject: Re: [jakarta.ee-community] Gen Z-based spec [WAS: Jakarta Tech Talk - invite to suggest topic and/or present]
 
Charles,

I was in the expert group of JSR 321 and also did some presentations including JavaOne US or JavaOne Moscow (where especially a TPM is not even legal to use, but I did no demos ;-) 

I have a hard time understanding how this relates to Jakarta EE? Are you thinking of exposing some aspects of Gen-Z via Jakarta Security, because that's pretty much the only existing spec I could think of benefiting from this kind of technology. 
It does feel to be on a much different (ISO/OSI) layer than where Jakarta EE plays, therefore if there is no access to it via Jakarta EE Security, not sure if Jakarta EE was the right place for it?

A recent JCP member also told me about the idea for a general purpose Blockchain JSR. Not sure, if he goes for it, but that is also something I imagine could still make a good JSR but as a Jakarta EE spec I would not really see that kind of stuff, it is also on a slightly different layer. 

Werner





On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 6:06 PM Charles Dusek <cgdusek@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Jon,

Yes, that JSR is an example of one facet we are aiming to achieve that relates to hardware enforced security.

It is early in the process, but there are many other facets to address for Jakarta support such as building a JVM that takes full advantage the Gen-Z platform capabilities including heterogenous multi-processor and semantic memory support that is related to hardware authentication. This, however, may be out of the scope of these talks, but I have began to contemplate how to fit this into the J EE architecture.

Thanks,
Charles

 
From: jakarta.ee-community-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Jonathan Gallimore <jgallimore@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2019 4:30 AM
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Subject: Re: [jakarta.ee-community] Gen Z-based spec [WAS: Jakarta Tech Talk - invite to suggest topic and/or present]
 
Thanks for posting the link, I'll have a look through, and I'm sure that will certainly help me understand it better. I noticed a link to JSR-321 (https://jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=321) on the news page of the jTSS site, albeit a little old. Apologies if this is a daft question, does that JSR relate to what you'd like to achieve with a Gen Z spec?

Thanks

Jon

On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 3:04 AM Charles Dusek <cgdusek@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
One example of similar project is:


Overarching suggested topic would be remote attestation for Jakarta EE in the future.  This, IMO, is paramount as we move into an edge driven cloud world with security threats such as compromised self-driving cars, IoT etc.  

I didn’t mean to hi-jack the thread.  If there is further interest please contact me personally.  We are part of the Gen-Z consortium and plan to offer resources to help build out this functionality and could bring in other member companies.

 
From: jakarta.ee-community-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Mike Milinkovich <mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2019 7:00 PM
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Subject: [jakarta.ee-community] Gen Z-based spec [WAS: Jakarta Tech Talk - invite to suggest topic and/or present]
 
Charles,

At the risk of stating the obvious, you do realize that such a spec will require the folks who care about Gen Z to join the Jakarta EE spec process, propose a new spec, and build a group of contributing companies to that spec. Right?

We do think of Jakarta EE as a code-first specification process. Is there a Java language open source project that demonstrates an implementation of what you're envisaging?

Thanks.

On 2019-04-09 3:31 p.m., Charles Dusek wrote:

Mike,

 

One area of interest would be a remote attestation API that verifies that Gen-Z component hardware authentication as described in this document.  https://genzconsortium.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Gen-Z-Component-Authentication-Secured-Infrastructure.pdf

 

There are many other avenues for API that would support this particular protocol, but our current focus is remote attestation including the use of hardware based technologies, such as TPM, to verify root stack of the server end-point and to ensure that the application server has not been compromised.

 

Thanks,

Charles

 

From: jakarta.ee-community-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx <jakarta.ee-community-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Mike Milinkovich
Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2019 2:18 PM
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Subject: Re: [jakarta.ee-community] [javaee-guardians] Re: Jakarta Tech Talk - invite to suggest topic and/or present

 

Charles,

 

There are no plans that I am aware of at the moment for such a specification. Can you provide some more thoughts on what such a Java language API would look like?

 

On 2019-04-08 10:47 p.m., Charles Dusek wrote:

Are there any groups planning to develop Jakarta EE support for for Gen-Z memory semantic protocol?

 

Our team views Jakarata as the platform that will match best to build out clouds of the future based on this technology.

 

 

 

 

From: jakarta.ee-community-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Tanja Obradovic <tanja.obradovic@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, April 8, 2019 9:00 PM
To: Ryan Cuprak; Reza Rahman
Cc: Java EE Guardians; Jakarta EE community discussions
Subject: Re: [jakarta.ee-community] [javaee-guardians] Re: Jakarta Tech Talk - invite to suggest topic and/or present

 

We are interested in topics that are Java Cloud related, so not only Java EE or Jakarta EE.

Tanja

On 2019-04-08 9:19 p.m., Ryan Cuprak wrote:

 

 So the talks have to be JEE + cloud? 

 

-Ryan



On Apr 4, 2019, at 8:07 PM, Reza Rahman <reza_rahman@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

 

I filled out a few proposals of mine. Weirdly, I appear to be the only one? What's up folks?

 

Anyway, I will try and spread word on this.

 

On 3/28/2019 4:46 PM, Tanja Obradovic wrote:

Hello All,

I'd like to invite you to please sign up or suggest a topic for next Jakarta Tech Talk. Here is the Jakarta Tech Talk spreadsheet. 

Please note that we are welcoming all talks that are Java Cloud related. Our next Jakarta Tech Talk is scheduled for April 29th

Kubernetes and Istio for Jakarta EE Developers

Sebastian Daschner

Monday, April 29, 2019

11:00 AM to 12:00 PM EST

Many thanks!

Tanja

 


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