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Re: [] Death of JavaOne/Consequences for Jakarta EE

I am looping in an email from fellow Java EE Guardian Josh Juneau. Thanks Josh as always for your support.

The impression I get is that folks see value in the community moving forward with a virtual conference. This is going to be a non-trivial effort so it's best we get that started sooner rather than later. That being said, I would prefer to wait a few more days for further input before moving forward.

Specifically, it would be good to know now if possible whether the Eclipse Foundation is best for taking this on instead of the community right now (of course the community could still help). If not right now, we can of course revisit/realign later.

It would also be good to know if the vendors/Eclipse Foundation can commit to helping with modest costs if needed as well as marketing through their channels within reason. I think the marketing is a bigger deal. I could be wrong, but I think we can basically do this for free just using Google Hangout on Air and a simple website.

Of course we can move forward even if we can't answer the above questions definitively right now.

On 5/1/2018 6:07 PM, Josh Juneau wrote:
I will be unable to attend Oracle Code this year.  However, I am anticipating that I’ll go next year unless there is a different conference that takes place of JavaOne as the “primary” Java development conference in the states.  I do not often have the opportunity to travel, so when I do, I prefer to attend and speak at a conference that will contain lots of Java EE and Jakarta EE content.  

I would be very interested in helping to organize and/or promote an online conference devoted to Java EE and Jakarta EE.  (I wonder how long I should continue to refer to both)

Thanks Reza, for starting this thread, and I’ll remain engaged.  I agree that Jakarta EE is going to need lots of promotion to bring those who are not in the immediate technical loop up to speed.  

On Apr 30, 2018, at 1:50 PM, reza_rahman <reza_rahman@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I hope by now everyone knows Oracle is killing off JavaOne as we know it and replacing it with something called Oracle Code One. However you slice and dice it, this is likely not good news for Java EE/Jakarta EE. I hope that we are not underestimating the consequences of this and can work together to offset the impact sensibly.

JavaOne was by far the premier destination for Java content both in terms of quality and quantity. The same was even more true for technologies like Java EE, NetBeans and many others. In the Java EE track, it gave us enough leeway to accept interesting Java EE adoption stories and talks on emerging but niche Java EE projects. Not to mention it was the place to go to in order to hear from the real workers behind Java EE specifications. Virtually every significant Java EE adopter I know went to JavaOne and every major Java EE advocate spoke there. I very much doubt any of this will remain true with Oracle Code One.

I am fearful those are such large gaps that will be left behind that places like Devoxx and EclipseCon will not be able to fill them that easily even if they wanted to. Some time ago someone joked about something like JakartaOne. That might be the best bet to offset basically losing what the Java EE track at JavaOne used to offer. The problem is that while this works for things like SpringOne, it will take a long time to build that kind of momentum and I am not sure Java EE can wait for that long or be able to withstand a significant lag in the conference space. While I have heard some hints that things like JavaLand can help solve this problem, I remain unconvinced these are any real competition to JavaOne, Devoxx, etc. These to me seem like smaller scale regional events that just don't have that kind of international clout and may never gain it, at least in the short run.

This brings me to my last point. I believe the best way to counteract the loss of JavaOne in the immediate term is to organize a free, virtual, community-run conference focused solely on Java EE/Jakarta EE. I ran a brief poll and it seems the idea is viable if it can be pulled off: Once something like JakartaOne establishes itself, we can discontinue the free online event or continue it on a more limited scale on purpose and favor/promote JakartaOne. Who knows - maybe online, free and community driven is in fact the future even for JakartaOne?

I believe if needed, the Java EE Guardians can pull this off with some cooperation from vendors. That's why I have the Java EE Guardians alias in BCC to this initial email.

Could you please share your thoughts on this? I would personally be particularly keen on hearing from people that are Java EE speakers, Java EE vendors and likely organizers of JakartaOne/EclipseCon as well as the online event I am suggesting.
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