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Re: [] Death of JavaOne/Consequences for Jakarta EE

I am 100% behind the idea for a virtual Java EE/Jakarta EE conference. It solves a number of problems as mentioned by David and makes it accessible to everyone while providing a valued library of pro-EE material.

Kind regards

Alex Theedom

BooksJava EE 8: Only What's New and Professional Java EE Design Patterns

On 1 May 2018 at 08:37, David Delabassee <david.delabassee@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I've attended nearly 20 JavaOne editions and as far as I can remember (last 10 years?), we never had a 'Java EE track' per say. We always had a server-side track where we did our best to have Java EE presented (Reza has always played a key role in that track). That track also and always had other technologies discussed; it was balanced and fair. Over the years, the market evolves as do the tracks themselves. Some tracks are added while some are removed and some have their focus slightly tweaked to meet that evolution; this year will not be an exception. It's not something new and it's certainly not unique to J1^H^HOracle Code One. This year, 'our' track is called 'Java Server-Side Development and Microservices'. The description (1) alone matches nicely what Java EE is today and where Jarkata EE aims to be in the future. And we, Oracle, are clearly expecting to have Java EE and Jakarta EE well represented in that track. But for that we need submissions! The CFP (2) closes on May 10 so you know what to do!

And regardless of the J1 name change, other upcoming potential conferences, ... a free virtual community-lead conference is certainly not a bad idea!! It's a probably a lot of work but it could solve some of the typical inherent problems of 'regular' conferences (ex. time & cost to attend, time zone challenges).

(1) Java Server-Side Development and Microservices
This track is filled with technical sessions and BoFs that showcase how developers are using Java technology to handle large-scale, mission-critical workloads in the cloud or on-premise. From exploring the fine details of what happens at the source code level where the work actually gets done, out to ecosystem level efforts and enterprise architectures, if it happens on the server side on the JVM, it’s in this track.


On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 8:50 PM, reza_rahman <reza_rahman@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I hope by now everyone knows Oracle is killing off JavaOne as we know it and replacing it with something called Oracle Code One. However you slice and dice it, this is likely not good news for Java EE/Jakarta EE. I hope that we are not underestimating the consequences of this and can work together to offset the impact sensibly.

JavaOne was by far the premier destination for Java content both in terms of quality and quantity. The same was even more true for technologies like Java EE, NetBeans and many others. In the Java EE track, it gave us enough leeway to accept interesting Java EE adoption stories and talks on emerging but niche Java EE projects. Not to mention it was the place to go to in order to hear from the real workers behind Java EE specifications. Virtually every significant Java EE adopter I know went to JavaOne and every major Java EE advocate spoke there. I very much doubt any of this will remain true with Oracle Code One.

I am fearful those are such large gaps that will be left behind that places like Devoxx and EclipseCon will not be able to fill them that easily even if they wanted to. Some time ago someone joked about something like JakartaOne. That might be the best bet to offset basically losing what the Java EE track at JavaOne used to offer. The problem is that while this works for things like SpringOne, it will take a long time to build that kind of momentum and I am not sure Java EE can wait for that long or be able to withstand a significant lag in the conference space. While I have heard some hints that things like JavaLand can help solve this problem, I remain unconvinced these are any real competition to JavaOne, Devoxx, etc. These to me seem like smaller scale regional events that just don't have that kind of international clout and may never gain it, at least in the short run.

This brings me to my last point. I believe the best way to counteract the loss of JavaOne in the immediate term is to organize a free, virtual, community-run conference focused solely on Java EE/Jakarta EE. I ran a brief poll and it seems the idea is viable if it can be pulled off: Once something like JakartaOne establishes itself, we can discontinue the free online event or continue it on a more limited scale on purpose and favor/promote JakartaOne. Who knows - maybe online, free and community driven is in fact the future even for JakartaOne?

I believe if needed, the Java EE Guardians can pull this off with some cooperation from vendors. That's why I have the Java EE Guardians alias in BCC to this initial email.

Could you please share your thoughts on this? I would personally be particularly keen on hearing from people that are Java EE speakers, Java EE vendors and likely organizers of JakartaOne/EclipseCon as well as the online event I am suggesting.

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