Hello All,
Having more presence in China would be amazing. I am encouraging our Jakarta EE working group members to consider having JakartaOne Livestream in Chinese.
If Ambassadors can help with talks in Chinese and promotion, maybe this is a good year to start! I will certainly contact OSChina.net to see if there is any opportunity for there.
Looping in China Jakarta EE community on the thread as well.
Regards, Tanja
On Feb 28, 2022, at 3:25 PM, hantsy bai <hantsy@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Ondro, Emily and Reza,
Most people from my circles are working in IT related domain, but it seems the latest young people show little interest in Jakarta EE spec, some of them have worked for 5 years but never developed a traditional web application and deployed into a Servlet container or application servers.
But unfortunately I have browsed the past topics, there is no Jakarta EE topic in the past years.
Hi Reza, Thanks for your quick reply! Yes, I am part of the Jakarta EE group in China. I will start a conversation there to see whether we can start a virtual meet up or some sort to start with. I will keep you posted on this.
Thanks Emily
Hi Emily,
I am still trying to minimize travel but I am always happy to speak virtually. I am also pretty sure I can arrange for one or more native speakers. Do you have community connections in China we can explore?
Reza Rahman
Jakarta EE Ambassador, Author, Blogger, Speaker
Please note views expressed here are my own as an individual community member and do not reflect the views of my employer.
As for pushing Jakarta EE and MicroProfile in Asia and Pacific, I think we should work together to do more promotion, e.g. a virtual tour or some sort. I did a presentation on MicroProfile and Jakarta EE back in 2019 at QCon Beijing. At that time, not
many attendees knew about Jakarta EE and MicroProfile. On the contrary, Spring was well known thanks to a regular spring tour. I was told Spring advocates had frequent tours around China. Maybe we can set something up and work with the Jakarta EE group in
China. I can help with making this connection and driving this activity. Who else is also interested?
As for the adoption and support for Jakarta EE 9.1, so far, I think so far only Open Liberty has the support for jakarta.* namespace (Jakarta EE 9.1 and MicroProfile 5.0) in production versions. Personally, I highly recommend the applications should be
migrated to Jakarta EE 9.1 as namespace changes are not trivial. At least, Jakarta EE 9.1 functions identical to Jakarta EE 8 so it is much easier to debug issues if the migrated application is not working. Therefore, I think it will be very tweaky to leave
the migration and jakarta namespace switch to EE 10 as there will be many moving parts and difficult to debug if something is not working.
If you want to create new applications, I highly recommend you start with jakarta namespace. You can use
Open Liberty Starter to create cloud native applications with Jakarta EE 9.1 and MicroProfile 5.0 to try it out.
Thanks
Emily
Hello, Hantsy,
It's sad there aren't any Jakarta EE advocate activities in China from local companies. I don't see this only in China but also in Japan and other countries in the asian region. Do you think that advocacy from English-speaking advocates would help and
would be welcome? E.g. virtual presentations for Chinese JUGs remotely? Are Java developers in China interested or they would rather want local advocates and better support from local companies?
Ondro
Hi Ryan,
Yes, there are some China companies that have Jakarta EE certifications, but maybe they are a little disappointed. As far as I know, I don't know any advocate activities in China Java communities from these companies . In China, Java EE/Jakarta EE is
not so popular among the young people, many Java developers believe in Spring, and know little about the JakartaEE specs themselves.
Personally, I hope Jakarta EE spec becomes more lightweight, and easier to use. Let the end users decide to use it with/without traditional application servers, I think cloud native ready is the vital task .
It’s an interesting conundrum. As far as I have seen, there
isn’t much enthusiasm or uptake for Jakarta EE 9. Even from an advocacy perspective, it’s difficult to do much without fundamental innovation. I think Jakarta EE 10, the Core Profile and beyond is going to be very important to regaining community momentum.
A critical piece is runtimes like Quarkus and Helidon adoption Jakarta EE in some shape or the other.
Given the current situation my focus has been to do what I can (enabling runtimes to successfully adapt to the cloud, moving forward Cargo Tracker, the Starter, the Samples), emphasizing
interesting mashups (like JavaScipt frameworks, Kubernetes, NoSQL, DDD, Testcontainers, Records, etc) and encouraging people to contribute in some fashion to Jakarta EE 10 and beyond.
These aren’t great answers, but that’s we have to work with if we fundamentally believe in the core value proposition of open standards in enterprise Java.
Reza Rahman
Jakarta EE Ambassador, Author, Blogger, Speaker
Please note views expressed here are my own as an individual community member and do not reflect the views of my employer.
Good Afternoon,
Discussion on this list has been very quiet the last couple of months. I am curious as to people’s thoughts as to how things are going with Jakarta EE?
So if you wouldn’t mind replying:
- Have you look investigated and/or tried Jakarta EE 9 yet?
- Are you tracking the new features coming in Jakarta EE 10?
- Are you using Jakarta EE technologies or have you moved onto some other technology stack?
This is a large group and often times the same people always respond, so hit reply!
Everyone initially joined the Jakarta EE Ambassadors because they were passionate about Java EE and wanted to see it succeed. What do you think?
Regards,
-Ryan Cuprak
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