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Re: [iot-pmc] Election for Neil O'Toole as Committer on Eclipse ioFog
Thank you, all, for reviewing and processing this election.

And so we have an official record of my confirmation... yes, I confirm that this sets a baseline for committer elections for the Eclipse ioFog project going forward.

Thanks,
Kilton

On Fri, Dec 9, 2022 at 8:34 AM Jens Reimann <jreimann@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Approved the request, referencing this as a baseline for future committership elections of the project.

On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 11:55 PM Ian Craggs <icraggs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hello all,

the election result was all positive from the committers, so it sounds to me like we are proposing to accept the result of that election?

As we now have a few PRs from Neil that Kilton has linked to, then I am ok with accepting that result and approving Neil's nomination. We can also use this as a reference for future ioFog committer elections.

If I misunderstood anything do let me know!

Thanks,

Ian Craggs

On 08/12/2022 10:12, Jens Reimann wrote:
I am fine with that, as long as Kilton (as the project lead) confirms that this is the baseline for the project.

On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 8:52 AM Hudalla Kai (IOB/PAD-COD2) via iot-pmc <iot-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Jens, Kilton,

I tend to agree with Jens in that the linked PRs so far seem to demonstrate understanding of the tooling and build process for parts of ioFog.
Personally, I would probably not vote in a committer to a project that I am involved in based on the current track record. But as pointed out by Jens already, it is up to the ioFog project's committers to establish the baseline for "substantial, high quality contributions" (by means of voting in the election).

@Jens, Ian FMPOV we should waive the election result and (try to) use this as a reference for future committer elections in ioFog.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best regards

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Von: iot-pmc <iot-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx> im Auftrag von Jens Reimann <jreimann@xxxxxxxxxx>
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Betreff: Re: [iot-pmc] Election for Neil O'Toole as Committer on Eclipse ioFog
 
Hi Kilton,

To be honest, these look like rather basic contributions to me. I am not saying this to discredit anyone, but I also have a hard time to align this with the requirements from the project handbook [1]:

> After an individual has made a small number of high quality contributions that demonstrate that they understand how the project works, understand the Eclipse Foundation Development Process and are prepared to implement the Eclipse Foundation Intellectual Property Due Diligence Process, a committer will invite them to join the team and initiate the election.

I know, that it also says:

> What constitutes a sufficient demonstration of merit varies by project team.

If the list above is the project's definition of "sufficient merit", then that is fine with me. But this also means that anyone else can become a project committer based on this baseline. Which I would say isn't a typical baseline. Otherwise, I think Neil isn't ready yet. And there should be no blocker for making additional contributions.

In any case, I would like to hear some additional thoughts from the other PMC members.

Jens


On Tue, Nov 29, 2022 at 8:57 AM Kilton Hopkins <kilton@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi, Jens.

Ah - now I actually understand. Here are some links to pull requests from Neil.

Passing context through the stack - prep for next enhancements

Fix build pipeline issues

Update linter and resolve issues

Fix broken make file

Thanks,
Kilton

On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 11:47 PM Jens Reimann <jreimann@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
The PMC has the responsibility to verify and check. Providing all the information upfront, makes that a lot easier, and thus most likely faster. If we need to look up this information ourselves, this will take a good amount of time from our spare time we invest in this, and probably lead to worse results than if you would do it.



Both approaches are fine IMHO.

On Tue, Nov 29, 2022 at 8:29 AM Kilton Hopkins <kilton@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Jens - am I supposed to put links to the PRs in my request?

-Kilton

On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 11:22 PM Jens Reimann <jreimann@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Kilton,

I think the argument from Ian still stands:

> is there a record of Neil's contributions to the ioFog project, as PRs and/or issues?

For the PMC, that is currently not transparent.

Cheers

Jens

On Tue, Nov 29, 2022 at 5:52 AM Kilton Hopkins <kilton@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi, Ian.

I would like to pass this election around again for PMC approval. Neil O'Toole has been a significant contributor (via pull requests) to the Eclipse ioFog code base in the past months. He has fixed several issues in iofog-operator and prepared the code base for upcoming enhancements.

Thanks,
Kilton

On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 4:03 AM Ian Craggs <icraggs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi Kilton,

yes, Neil should contribute a few substantial PRs first before being nominated as a committer so there is a record of work that can be referred to. This is so that all contributors are treated equally.

Thanks,

Ian

On 15/03/2022 23:42, Kilton Hopkins wrote:
Hi, Ian.

Neil has contributed in Eclipse ioFog architecture discussions thus far but has not begun submitting code contributions. He is ready to do that now. He is an employee of Edgeworx so he has been exposed to the process and the existing committers for over one year now.

If the guidance is that he needs to contribute first via PRs before he can be elected as a committer, then I will guide him to take that path.

Thanks,
Kilton

On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 11:22 AM Ian Craggs <icraggs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hello ioFog committers,

is there a record of Neil's contributions to the ioFog project, as PRs and/or issues?

From the project handbook (https://www.eclipse.org/projects/handbook/#contributing-committers):

After an individual has made a small number of high quality contributions that demonstrate that they understand how the project works, understand the Eclipse Foundation Development Process and are prepared to implement the Eclipse Foundation Intellectual Property Due Diligence Process, a committer will invite them to join the team and initiate the election.

Recently the same rule applied to me - I had to make several contributions in the form of PRs to a project before I could be elected as a committer.

Thanks

Ian Craggs, on behalf of the PMC

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