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Re: [ide-dev] IDE working group [WAS: Improving Eclipse JDT - Ecosystem]

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> From: "Ian Bull" <irbull@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "Discussions about the IDE" <ide-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 6:54:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [ide-dev] IDE working group [WAS: Improving Eclipse JDT -	Ecosystem]
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> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 8:33 AM, Konstantin Komissarchik <
> konstantin.komissarchik@xxxxxxxxxx > wrote:
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> > If the member agrees to pay for a new platform developer then the path to
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> Yeahâ Thatâs pretty much a non starterâ
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> +1. If a member company decides to fund a student for a 4 month work term to
> meet their commitment, I don't think we should ease the process and give
> that student platform commit rights because they are 'funded'.

I fully agree here - committership should not be granted because someone is funded, but the project should be open to accepting and reviewing contributions contributions. If there is someone willing to review changes many more people would contribute stuff here and there just the small things that bother them. Think about Linux kernel - how many people have write access to the mainline? does anyone needs to have write permissions to get stuff in? and so on. With git and enough reviewers being a committer or not is pointless. This should be the ultimate goal for Eclipse IDE development - allow people to fix the small problem that bothers them. If such an approach works for Linux kernel, works for LibreOffice and for a number of others why shouldn't we aim for something similar.
If such a WG becomes a place that hires reviewers like Linus and his lieutenants to ease getting contributions in - that would finally be a really cool idea for me.
Reading stuff like http://dannycomputerscientist.wordpress.com/2013/09/30/libreoffice-bug-67159-or-the-story-of-my-first-foray-into-open-source/ makes one really feel bad - and it's not Eclipse doesn't have hundreds of such issues pending.

P.S. Me really likes https://twitter.com/dougschaefer/status/390487617818472449 .


Alexander Kurtakov
Red Hat Eclipse team

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> From: ide-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto: ide-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx ] On
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> To: Discussions about the IDE
> Subject: Re: [ide-dev] IDE working group [WAS: Improving Eclipse JDT -
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> I also think Gunnar pointed out some important key points:
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> Every committer has to earn his wings by contributing to the project in a
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> If the member agrees to pay for a new platform developer then the path to
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> something that the WG could define as one of its main tasks .
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> Generally, we should not think of members of the potential IDEWG as sugar
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> to their needs and pain points and finding people that have the resources to
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> I used the term "sugar daddy" in reply to Doug's comment about dictatorship.
> I just wanted to emphasize that committers, or those who pay them, have the
> final say in what get's implemented. Finding the members that are willing to
> commit development time to the commons should be another main task of the
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