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Re: [ide-dev] Improving Eclipse JDT - Ecosystem

----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marcel Bruch" <marcel.bruch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "Discussions about the IDE" <ide-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 6:45:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [ide-dev] Improving Eclipse JDT -  Ecosystem
> 
> Am 14.10.2013 um 07:49 schrieb Mickael Istria <mistria@xxxxxxxxxx>:
> 
> > That's indeed a nice improvement. However, this looks an Eclipse extension,
> > and most people complaining about Eclipse complain about the vanilla JDT
> > behaviour. How this tool will help people who even don't make an effort to
> > find out whether what they complain about can be improved/replaced?
> > Anything that is not part of the IDE packages is actually not a valid
> > solution for the "lambda" Eclipse user who just takes the package and
> > starts coding. If you want such improvements to really be used and help
> > end-users, they should rather happen inside JDT, or get shipped as part of
> > the EPP packages.
> > If moving it inside Eclipse has a cost and needs sponsoring, you should
> > make it clear. Some companies might be ready to pay to see such
> > modernization in Eclipse IDE.
> 
> You know where this is going.
> 
> There is a lot of work to do in JDT starting from bug fixing, performance
> improvements or things like the proposal sorter mentioned above (in that
> order). And there's the work JDT team is already doing on Java 8. From
> Stephan's reply I take away that this consumes almost all time of the team.
> 
> So, there is definitely a lack of human resources. This is no news to anybody
> on the list. So why do we get stuck here all the time? Is it because no
> developer want's to work on JDT? Or because there is no company paying for
> this work? Or don't companies know that/how they could pay someone to hire
> people for JDT?

First of all, 
Sorry for hijacking the thread but I feel obligated to mention another option that you missed:

Companies got sick of not being able to deliver to their users and don't consider contributing to the shared codebase being a viable possibility at all due to generic lack of interest to
further enhance current state in current committers. 
See http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/p2-dev/msg05342.html to understand what I speak about. It's not related to JDT team at all cause my team has very few overlapping areas with JDT but it's a problem we have met in a few other eclipse.org projects.

Alexander Kurtakov

> 
> I don't know. Do you know (for your company)? I've heard people on other
> lists saying that they could imagine paying a developer for JDT. If that's
> true it must be the former case: that it's hard to find people that want to
> work on JDT. In that case we can offer up to two developers with a solid
> background on JDT, bytecode, and compilers (Jikes RVM) â and a big passion
> for JDT tooling.
> 
> 
> If this is of interest to you and your company, let me know.
> In any case join us at EclipseCon Europe BoF about "Making Eclipse IDE Fun
> and Successful Again" 30th Oct, 7:00 PM
> 
> 
> Best,
> Marcel
> 
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> http://eclipsecon.org/europe2013/eclipse-ide-lets-make-it-fun-and-successful-again
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