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Re: [ide-dev] Why we dropped Eclipse in favour of IntelliJ | Java Code Geeks

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> From: "Ian Bull" <irbull@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "Discussions about the IDE" <ide-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 2:16:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [ide-dev] Why we dropped Eclipse in favour of IntelliJ | Java Code Geeks
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> On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Doug Schaefer < dschaefer@xxxxxxx > wrote:
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> 
> JavaScript support really worries me. As more and more things use JavaScript
> outside the web context, Qt QML, Nashorn, Node.js as examples, we really
> need good support there to be competitive.
> 
> And if we're not competitive, so what? And no, I'm not just being glib. I'm
> really curious who cares if we're not a good JS IDE, or if people are
> dropping Eclipse in favour of another java development tool. Who cares that
> there is a website dedicated to people 'hatting the Eclipse IDE'. Who cares
> that IntelliJ has better CSS integration, property file integration and JPA
> query syntax auto-correct. For those of you building IDEs on top of the
> Eclipse Platform, does your organization care that this particular
> development team dropped Eclipse in favour of another tool? Does it affect
> you? And more importantly, are you going to get funding to do something
> about it?
> 
> Of course I know you care Doug. As do David, Wayne, Michael and Andrew and I.
> We certainly care at a personal level. But unless we are going to compete
> personally, we need a larger entity to care. Yes I'm being provocative (that
> appears to be the word of the month). We need to find the organizations that
> will really feel the pain of this, and ensure that they are stepping up.
> 
> We have an incredible gift. We have a multi-million dollar IDE platform with
> world class Java support and rock solid stability with a large eco-system.
> We all understand this code-base very well. This entire code-base is free
> for us to use, and free for us to run with.
> 
> Let's not pass up this opportunity. Let's find out who really cares, and make
> this a competitive IDE!

Something similar (if not even more provocative) was in my head too. Obviously, the people that really care can be counted on fingers. Everyone else simply looks in his own cup and doesn't invest even a bit in improving the common thing.

Alexander Kurtakov
Red Hat Eclipse team

> 
> Cheers,
> Ian
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Doug
> 
> From: Mickael Istria < mistria@xxxxxxxxxx >
> 
> Reply-To: Discussions about the IDE < ide-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx >
> Date: Thursday, 19 September, 2013 2:58 PM
> To: " ide-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx " < ide-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx >
> 
> Subject: Re: [ide-dev] Why we dropped Eclipse in favour of IntelliJ | Java
> Code Geeks
> 
> There are some good arguments I fully agree with.
> 
> Things such as having most of JDT warnings disabled by default is a only way
> to hide the value of Eclipse. Most products show everything they can do by
> default, and users are free to disable the useless parts. On this topic,
> some Eclipse projects chose the other way round, which seems to lower the
> value of the IDE. I'm aware of the argument "people don't like to see
> hundreds of warnings", but it's the role of an IDE to show them and teach to
> any developer a better way to write code.
> Opened https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=417630
> 
> 
> I don't know much of JSDT and VJET, but I heard mainly bad things on the
> topic of JS development with Eclipse. I guess in current world where
> everything is JavaScript for tablet and smartphone, a bad JavaScript tooling
> can be a cause of total failure of an IDE. Let's hope some contributors will
> put efforts on this. It would be interesting to know how much contributors
> plan to invest in this (to be honest I don't even know for Red Hat...) and
> see whether some improvement will happen. And it could be interesting to
> highlight JavaScript as a "hot topic" and a corner-stone of the future of
> IDEs and make call for participations, via newsletter, twitter or other.
> Could it be something the Foundation could do?
> 
> More generally, the most web-centric package is Eclipse JEE. It could make
> sense to rename it "Eclipse for Web and Mobile Development" to advertise the
> support of more trendy/modern web technologies such as JS and get further
> than just JEE.
> Opened https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=417632
> 
> 
> The "Several minor things" are actually pragmatic feature requests that
> should be entered in the tracker. I let other people do it ;)
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> Mickael Istria
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