|Re: [ide-dev] [cross-project-issues-dev] Are too many packages actually hurting Eclipse?|
On 13-07-30 11:54 AM, "Andrew Ross" <andrew.ross@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >On 30/07/13 03:09, Krzysztof Daniel wrote: >> On Tue, 2013-07-30 at 00:36 +0000, Doug Schaefer wrote: >>> +1 for that. I've seen (and made for that matter) commercial products >>> do that. Download a minimal p2 install with an Eclipse application >>> that drives the rest of the install. We could ask for a list of >>> languages or platforms they want to develop for and then install the >>> necessary components. >> I'm very skeptical about P2 in the downloader. It was created in the >> past (http://wiki.eclipse.org/Equinox_p2_Installer) and never made into >> real world. AFAIK it would suffer from the same issues as regular P2 - >> does require java to be pre-downloaded, no real integration with the >> system (privileges elevation) and extreme vulnerability to users. >> >> I'd rather focus on opening P2 to 3rd party installers  and offered >> users more OS-specific experience. No need to reinvent the wheel. >> >>  Bug 378329: Support 3rd party installers >> > >Systems that manage software at the network level know how to talk to OS >software management systems. This is a very big deal for many large >companies and even quite useful for small & medium sized ones. It's >useful to enable outreach as people would get Eclipse just like >everything else... be it yum, pacman, zypper, apt, etc. Pity Windows >lacks a proper software management system or at least did the last time >I ran it. Linux has it's solutions and vendors like Red Hat are doing a great job of giving their users access to Eclipse. Mind you those installers are really hardcore compared to the Windows installers (like NSIS) and Mac DMG installers (drag-n-drop) or PKG installers. Given there is still a huge majority of users that aren't on Linux, we need a solution that runs on those other platforms. The more I think of it and read the discussion here, the more I think it would be great to have an Eclipse IDE installer/bootstrap UI thing that made it really easy for new users, and veteran ones :) to pick the "components" they want in their IDE. Doug.
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