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On 06/10/2013 09:06 AM, Philipp W.
Kutter | Montages AG wrote:
Hi, Mickael.
Hi Philippe,
Thanks for your input, the summary
is appreciated.
I don't think Generative versus Interpretative is the big
difference between GMF Tooling and Sirius.
In my opinion, it makes a big difference for adopters. Most people
who'll have a look at adopting GMF Tooling vs adopting Sirius
tutorial will probably go to Sirius because of the interpretative
approach allows a simpler and faster workflow.
Adding interpretation modus to GMF
Tooling will just be another feature to be added or not, at some
suited point in the GMF Tooling roadmap.
There are a lot of things on the GMF Tooling roadmap, and when
and how to tackle interpreted diagram editor models will depend
on the demand from the user community, of major adoptors and
users like the Papyrus project, and of the GMF Tooling sponsor,
who has a population of 90 DSLs written in ECore.
Sure, but that's still a potential point in roadmap, whereas Sirius
will provide it in its first release. I'm afraid for GMF Tooling
that once Sirius gets released, the GMF Tooling community just stops
growing in favor of the Sirius one.
The last release of GMF Tooling moved
a lot of functionality that was previously in code to QVTO and
OCL, including impact analysis for the OCL part. Thus a major
step towards interpreted diagram editor models was already done
in GMF Tooling. If another prototype for doing it exists in open
source, in the form of Sirius, this will only help to speed up
adding it to GMF Tooling too.
Of course, but such a project interpreting GMF Tooling models as
configurators of a diagram editor does not exist.
The main strength of GMF Tooling is
that it is a pure open source project, without any dependency on
a commercial project. Even the largest user, Papyrus, is a pure
open source project, and not a commercial product. The
developers of GMF Tooling, and now as well QVTO are recruited
among the original developers of the EMF Modeling Frameworks at
Borland/Together, and work at good, but local rates in Prague
and St. Petersburg, without any other organization in the
middle. The sponsorship money flows directly to the developers.
Like this, the GMF Tooling project can quickly replay for more
requests from the community or the commercial users. Currently
we focus communicating this capabilities to the Swiss financial
industry, but we will do broader communication soon.
I'm not saying anything bad against GMF Tooling and the companies
behind GMF Tooling development. I know GMF Tooling is a project that
powers a lot of very nice diagram editors ;) I'm just trying to
highlight that GMF Tooling will soon have Sirius as a main
competitor project (same goal, same license, Eclipse label), and
that in the current status of GMF Tooling and Sirius, Sirius will
probably be the choice of newcomers in Eclipse diagram world.
Hope to see you at Models2013, to
finally meet you in person, and dicusss.
Unfortunately, I won't be at Models2013. I guess you've all noticed
that Modeling is no more my main activity since I joined Red Hat.
Regards, and have a nice week,
Thanks, you too.
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