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Re: [glassfish-dev] Future of Admin Console for GF 5 and GF6
Hi,

Well, to be totally honest, from my point of view at least, it's indeed not 100% clear what the meaning and future of the GlassFish Server project is. This question has been raised before and I don't think we arrived at a very clear answer.

The GlassFish project itself includes both the application server, as well as a series of components (Jersey, Mojarra, Soteria, HK2, etc). The components are reasonably "safe", as they are actively being used by various vendors (See https://arjan-tijms.omnifaces.org/2020/05/implementation-components-used-by.html) as well as standalone.

The GlassFish application server is individually distributed and certified by various vendors, either directly like Primeton Appserver or with some changes like Apusic ASS or with some more changes still like Hitachi Cosminexus. A somewhat special case is Payara, which once derived from GlassFish, but has now innovated greatly on top of the original code base and has thus become more of a server of its own (disclaimer, I worked for Payara).

Payara and Hitachi together lead the GlassFish project and are generously donating resources to push it forward in the way we're seeing it happen now, as is the previous owner Oracle. But none of them market or directly publish GlassFish itself. As Steve from Payara has indicated, the community needs to step up if they want to see more happening. As an independent contractor I'm one person who dedicates some time, but I also have the work for my customers to do, so that's unfortunately quite limited.

Hope this makes it a bit more clear.

Kind regards,
Arjan Tijms





On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 10:44 AM Gurkan Erdogdu <cgurkanerdogdu@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
As I understand (although I disagree with this), Eclipse Glassfish project is no longer considered as usable in production environments.  One of the reason is that not releasing frequently and updating the codebase regularly.  Frankly, I have not fully understood the meaning of the Eclipse Glassfish project.
Are we trying to have implement only useless RI? Should we see the Eclipse Glassfish as a school project? It seems strange to put a Admin Console UI that doesn't work correctly into the release.
I am more than happy to spare more time if I truly understand the project aim.
Regards.
Gurkan


On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 11:18 AM arjan tijms <arjan.tijms@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi,

I hear you, though the admin console itself it's not useless, just largely antiquated. And yes, not including it has been considered.

But even if excluding it for just this release, who has the resources available to create a new admin console? Without any plan it would be gone from GF indefinitely I'm afraid.

Kind regards,
Arjan Tijms

On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 10:03 AM Gurkan Erdogdu <cgurkanerdogdu@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Its weird to include useless admin console into release. If it is useless, why we include it into the release?
Regards.
Gurkan

On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 1:33 AM arjan tijms <arjan.tijms@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Gurkan,

You're right, the admin console is not even antiquated in the output it generates, but even more in the source beneath it. With every release with have to drag the pre-historic JSFTemplate, Woodstock, and their dependencies along kicking and screaming.

I would not be surprised if GlassFish is currently the only application using JSFTemplate/Woodstock.

Rewriting the admin console using current day Faces could be done, but it's not a trivial task I'm afraid in terms of time. Having this taken care of for the GF 6 final release is basically undoable with the resource we have available.

Kind regards,
Arjan Tijms





On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 11:04 PM Gurkan Erdogdu <cgurkanerdogdu@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi folks
I am currently looking over admin part (admin GUI) of the Glassfish and looks like that lots of error/bugs exist in the current code base. Latest browsers such as Firefox complaints about lots of _javascript_ errors and some pages are not displayed/run correctly.

Is anybody experience with the same? I think that the current code has not been updated regarding the latest browser compatibility etc.

I wonder that before releasing the GF 6 Final, do we need to have fully usable admin console?

Regards.
Gurkan
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