[geclipse-dev] connection frameworks in e4

[Markus Knauer <mknauer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi *,

this is an interesting mail from the e4 mailing list. Brian started a 
discussion about a common connection framework in the upcoming e4 platform.

  http://wiki.eclipse.org/E4/Connection_Frameworks

Markus



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Subject: [eclipse-incubator-e4-dev] e4 beyond the ongoing UI conversations...
Date: Thursday 21 August 2008
From: brian.fitzpatrick@xxxxxxxxxx
To: eclipse-incubator-e4-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx

Hi all... 

Though I appreciate all the great discussion going on around e4 and the UI 
work being done (though most of it is beyond me, not being an HTML/CSS 
guy, I do find it fascinating), I was wondering if there is room in e4 to 
focus on other parts of the Eclipse ecosystem as well. 

One of the issues IMHO across some of the major Eclipse projects is the 
issue of cross-project integration. This is especially evident (to me 
anyway) in terms of connection frameworks. 

The Eclipse ecosystem has many different types of "connection" frameworks. 
The CVS (Eclipse Platform), Remote Systems Explorer (DSDP-TM), Web (WTP), 
Communications (ECF), and Database Development (DTP) perspectives all have 
their own server/system connection management user interfaces and 
connection frameworks. WTP has been working with DTP to handle management 
of database connections, which is great, but it's just the tip of the 
iceberg. 
  
Within e4, we have a chance to settle on a common framework for connection 
management and its associated UI. This would not only help out the user 
with a common look and feel across the Eclipse ecosystem for connecting to 
various systems, but it would allow adopters and extenders to take 
advantage of this common framework so they too would fit into the 
Eclipse-iverse more seamlessly to their own users. 
  
The connection framework within DTP, though used primarily for JDBC 
database connections at this point, has been used with great success in 
many other ways by Sybase products to connect to file systems, application 
servers, UDDI and LDAP repositories, and so on. I think it has great 
potential to fill the need for a common connection framework in e4. 
  
However, integrating will the other projects in Eclipse will be tricky at 
best and require a great deal of collaboration from many interested 
parties. 
  
Do others see this as a problem that could be addressed within the e4 
timeframe? Or am I way out of scope with this suggestion? 
  
Thanks 
--Fitz (aka Brian Fitzpatrick) 

Brian Fitzpatrick
Eclipse Data Tools Platform PMC Chair
Eclipse Data Tools Platform Connectivity Team Lead
Staff Software Engineer, Sybase, Inc.



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Re: [eclipse-incubator-e4-dev] Technical issues with the e4 CSS call  - 
feedback appreciated to evaluate Yugma








Chris and I tried out dimdim just for fun.  It was still ok but not great. 
 I had some horrible echo I could not get rid of and the screen sharing 
from the Mac did not really work.  Sharing from the PC was ok but 
apparently the refreshes were slow.  So  not recommented.

It might also be interesting to press the foundation to supply GoToMeeting 
rooms.  The cost is not too high.

If you are interested in this, please voice your support and justification 
on 
    https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=244840

Jeff

Jeff McAffer wrote: 
dimdim.com is another option. its free for up to 20 people in a room.  I 
used it a while ago and it was ok.  There is a new version that claims to 
be much improved.  have not tried lately...

Jeff



Chris Aniszczyk wrote: 
Before we do this... is any member company that uses GotoMeeting or WebEx 
willing to donate some time?

On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 9:59 AM, Kevin McGuire <Kevin_McGuire@xxxxxxxxxx> 
wrote: 

Hi gang, 

It appeared that people were having a lot of technical problems with the 
e4 CSS call.  This was the first time using Yugma and I'd appreciate some 
feedback to understand if its worth trying to use in the future.  The 
problems I saw: 

1) People showed up in the screen sharing but they never joined the conf 
call.  There may have been confusion over which # to dial, the one I sent 
out (my conf call #), or the one that Yugma sent out (presumably some VOID 
service of theirs). 
2) People were connecting/disconnecting/connecting/ to the session.  It 
seemed the connectivity was poor/unreliable? 
3) For reasons I am not clear on, some of the invitees who were to have 
been given ability to share their screen were not.  I couldn't figure a 
way of correcting that.  When sending the invites, you specify who is in 
which category.  I would've given everyone screen sharing, but I assumed 
it worked by email login ID matched against the invites which doesn't work 
for sending to an entire mail list. 

Its a lot cheaper than WebEx (estimate was it was going to cost $300) but 
there's no sense using it if the quality and reliabilit isn't there. 

Thanks, 
Kevin
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Cheers,

~ Chris Aniszczyk 

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