| The Porject Stewards aka Project Leads being subscribed to the EE4J PMC list is nice & necessary.
Yet better is having the proper Repos in place and ready to enable the EE4J community across the 39 projects to rock it by collaborating via issues and PRs. That is efficient as it maximizes the OSS preferred tool that the EF foundation requires for the +350 projects.
Small steps are nothing when other solutions are available to this project!
Clearly, I stand by my previews statement on dropping Leads from anything related to EE4J moving forward, it is a poor usage to what current is today.
I've notified all Oracle associated leads about the requirement
to subscribe to the pmc-dev
list. That wasn't previously clear to all of us.
-- Ed
On 4/24/2019 7:53 AM, Kevin Sutter
wrote:
+1 to Ivar's remarks.
Also, please note that Wayne is planning to bcc
the project leads just to try to raise the awareness of this
PMC conversation. The project leads represent a specific
position within Eclipse projects. They should all be part of
the PMC mailing list, but we know they aren't. We are just
trying to ensure that everybody is getting this message.
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Original message -----
From: Ivar Grimstad <ivar.grimstad@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent by: ee4j-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
To: EE4J PMC Discussions <ee4j-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc:
Subject: Re: [ee4j-pmc] Note to Project Leads regarding the
specification project process
Date: Wed, Apr 24, 2019 2:46 AM
Amelia, Markus,
Eclipse projects do have the notion of project leads. They
are not bosses in any sense and don't have any more
power than the committers.
BUT they have responsibilities, and that is
what Wayne asking for. One of those responsibilities is to
join the PMC mailing list to take part in the information
being sent there. Another one is to encourage committers
to engage in the process.
Please help focus on the important part here, which is
to move this thing forward. It is not helpful criticizing
every initiative that is being made. Note that Wayne said
"We need all project leads to engage in this process with
the EE4J PMC and your project team", which in my
world means to discuss with committers. NOT
deciding anything without discussions. I don't see
anything controversial in this.
Ivar
+1 to Markus’
feedback.
When I read the msg with Leads on it, it bothers me
to no end.
OSS doesn’t have bosses, it has Contributors. I
recommend Leads gets dropped and Stewards gets added
instead.
It seems wasteful to even consider using that word
during this process. — We know better, lets show it
via actions. :) end of feedback!
Concern:
The existing project leads are mostly not
elected but simply taken over from the JCP
(hence, from Oracle), so their input not
necessarily covers the opinion of the
majority of the committers. Hence some
questions should be discussed among the
committers, not among the projects leads,
or there should be project lead elections
first.
-Markus
As discussed on
our call today, I'm going to assemble a
note to the EE4J project leads about
getting engaged in this process.
I'm going to
convert the "The process to create the
first set of Final
Specifications" thread into a blog
post and provide a link to it as a
starting point for the discussion.
For now, I'd
like to avoid debating
any specific part of this message in
this thread and would instead like you
to confirm that that I have the tone
right and that I haven't missed
anything important: I will send this
note directly to the email addresses
that we have on file for the project
leads and I prefer to use direct email
sparingly (so I very much appreciate
your help in ensuring that I get it
right the first time). The key
messages with this are: please engage
us on the ee4j-pmc mailing list, and
please engage in the name and scope
exercise.
After I send
this note to the project leads
themselves, we'll engage them further
on the pmc mailing list.
Later tomorrow,
I'll send out something like the
following:
Greetings EE4J
Project Leads.
I'm sending
this note to the EE4J PMC's
mailing list with
you in blind copy. Some very important
discussions regarding the future of
the various projects engaged in
Jakarta EE specification work are
happening now and in the near future
on that list. It is important that you
be part of that discussion, so if you
have not already done so, please join
this list and join in the
conversation.
We are at a point in the process where
it's time to create specification
projects as defined by the Eclipse
Foundation Specification Process (EFSP)
as a home for specification document
development. Where possible and
sensible, we will convert the existing
"Eclipse Project for ..." projects
into specification projects; in cases
where this is not possible or
sensible, we will create new
specification projects.
This is where
you come in. We need all project leads
to engage in this process with the
EE4J PMC and your project team. To
that end, the PMC has set up a project
board with individual tasks for each
project. Please identify the tasks in
the project name
board and project scope
board that apply to projects
within your purview and engage there.
Regarding names, the PMC has posted a naming
standard for your
consideration.
If you have
questions, connect with the PMC on the
EE4J PMC list (and otherwise engage
via that public channel).
Thoughts?
Concerns? Important additions?
--
Wayne
Beaton
Director
of Open Source
Projects | Eclipse
Foundation, Inc.
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