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Re: [ee4j-pmc] git tags naming convention? 
On 10/31/18 7:04 PM, Markus KARG wrote:

Bill,
once again you misunderstood my postings. I really do not tell you what *you* can do or not, I tell *the PMC* what they cannot do according to EF rules. I also want better inter-project collaboration, but *the PMC's* mailing list is the wrong place for reaching other projects. BTW, there is no such group like "ourselves" in the EF, there only is "the public", "the committers" and "the PMC members".
In fact you have my full support for better inter-project communication among the committers to reach all consistency wanted by committers. What I like to express simply is that the PMC is de jure not the right entity to reach this concensus, as the PMC has neither the power to enforce consistency in your questions unless technically needed, nor is it the inter-project communication area.
"Inquiries about the development process, guidelines, IP, best practice and "How do I" should be addressed to your project lead, who can escalate the issue with your PMC, your Mentor or the Architecture Council." 

taken from: https://wiki.eclipse.org/Development_Resources/Reaching_out
...every eclipse.org committer should be aware of this wiki or be able to find this when needed
shouldn't the wiki be updated with the right mailing list if PMC is not the right place for this - according to what are you saying - and if such does not exist then shouldn't it be created? 

thanks,
--lukas


 So what will be the *effective*
outcome? What you apparently strive for will de facto only be reached by asking the committers of all projects, not anybody else. You reach absolutely not what you want if the PMC says "yes, good idea" but some committers simply do not follow because they possibly have a different opinion.
Besides that, I will keep telling what the EDP says as long as I have the impression that it is either not understood or intentionally ignored. 

-Markus

*From:*Bill Shannon [mailto:bill.shannon@xxxxxxxxxx]
*Sent:* Mittwoch, 31. Oktober 2018 18:19
*To:* EE4J PMC Discussions; Markus KARG
*Subject:* Re: [ee4j-pmc] git tags naming convention?

Markus, you really are not helping by continuing to repeat your mantra.
Some of us /want/ to do things in a consistent way across the community.  Unless your goal is to /force/ every project to be different, please just accept that you're allowed to do things differently in your projects, but some of the rest of us might want to do things the same way across multiple project, on purpose.  We're not going to tell you that you have to do things the same way, but please don't tell us that we /can't/ conspire among ourselves to do things the same way. 

Thanks.

Markus KARG wrote on 10/30/2018 11:07 PM:

    I know Bill and others don't like to hear it anymore, but unless
    there is an urgent need to decide this topic by the PMC, according
    to the EDP this is up to each project to decide or even let the
    committer himself decide.

    -Markus

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    [mailto:ee4j-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Kevin Sutter
    *Sent:* Dienstag, 30. Oktober 2018 21:18
    *To:* EE4J PMC Discussions
    *Subject:* Re: [ee4j-pmc] git tags naming convention?

    I agree.  We use annotated tags when releasing MicroProfile
    releases.  I think we should continue that practice with Jakarta EE.

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    wrote on 10/30/2018 01:28:54 PM:

    > From: Raymond Auge <raymond.auge@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:raymond.auge@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
    > To: ee4j-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:ee4j-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx>
    > Date: 10/30/2018 01:29 PM
    > Subject: Re: [ee4j-pmc] git tags naming convention?
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> > I think having recourse to see _who_ created the tag (annotated > tags) is more useful than not. > > - Ray > > On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 2:23 PM Bill Shannon <bill.shannon@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:bill.shannon@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote: 
    > (Apparently no one cares about this stuff but I'll ask anyway...)
> > Assuming the PMC recommendation is to use just the version number as 
    > the tag, do people prefer git lightweight tags or git annotated tags?

    > Ivar Grimstad wrote on 10/01/2018 10:43 PM:
    > We have not defined any conventions for EE4J for this. Personally, I
> like naming the tag as the version number of the released artifact. > > Should we define EE4J-wide conventions or just leave it to the projects? > > Ivar > > On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 12:58 AM Bill Shannon <bill.shannon@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:bill.shannon@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote: 
    > Is there an EE4J-wide convention for how to name the git tags for
    > releases of various sorts?
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