Re: [ee4j-pmc] Design Contest: Replacement for Duke Mascot

["Kevin Sutter" <sutter@xxxxxxxxxx>]

If a mascot is desired for Jakarta EE,
then I think that's a Working Group / Steering Committee decision.  It's
not a PMC decision.  From Mike's earlier replies, I think he was open
to the idea of having an open contest, but he also felt there were more
pressing issues higher on the backlog.

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From:      
 "Markus KARG"
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To:      
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Date:      
 05/10/2018 07:14 AM
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   Re: [ee4j-pmc]
Design Contest: Replacement for Duke Mascot
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My wife could design a
mascot, but wouldn't it be better to have an open contest?
-Markus
 
 
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On Behalf Of Dmitry Kornilov
Sent: Donnerstag, 10. Mai 2018 12:37
To: EE4J PMC Discussions
Subject: Re: [ee4j-pmc] Design Contest: Replacement for Duke Mascot
 
I like the idea of creating a mascot for Jakarta EE. It
can be whatever (fish, lion, tiger, worm, etc.). Is anyone would like to
take an initiative and do it? We may also engage the community the similar
way as it was with Jakarta EE logo.
 
— Dmitry


On 10 May 2018, at 09:30, Ondrej Mihályi <ondrej.mihalyi@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
 
I think, based on the discussion, that
projects should be free to design and propose their logos. At the same
time, we could agree on a mascot (or multiple mascots) that could be used
to derive the logo from if a project would like to do so. Having Duke as
a Java mascot made it much simpler to create a meaningful logo for many
projects so something to replace it would be helpful.
 
> How about a lion or a tiger? :-)
 
Maybe a fish or something sea related?
The logo of Jakarta EE is a boat and the reference impl. is GlassFish...
I can imagine a starfish like this ?:
http://www.clipartbest.com/cliparts/pc5/oAb/pc5oAbydi.png

 
 
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on behalf of Sebastian Daschner <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: 10 May 2018 07:33:15
To: ee4j-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ee4j-pmc] Design Contest: Replacement for Duke Mascot
 
What I propose is that
the Jakarta EE community will have a mascot like a football club (i. e.
a "living" creature not necessarily limited to use in logos).
How about a lion or a tiger? :-)
 
On 05/10/2018 06:01 AM, Markus KARG wrote:
Kevin,
 
no I don't talk about
the JAX-RS logo. There is already a logo in progress for this project.
 
What I propose is that
the Jakarta EE community will have a mascot like a football club (i. e.
a "living" creature not necessarily limited to use in logos).
 
The Java community had
the Duke for that, but we must not use the Duke according to the EMO due
to legal issues.
 
-Markus
 
 
From: ee4j-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx[mailto:ee4j-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Kevin Sutter
Sent: Dienstag, 8. Mai 2018 15:27
To: EE4J PMC Discussions
Subject: Re: [ee4j-pmc] Design Contest: Replacement for Duke Mascot
 
Markus,
If you are talking about replacing the JAX-RS Mascot and starting a design
contest, then this is a decision left up to your community.  The PMC
does not control the mascot/logos of an individual project.  This
is very similar to MicroProfile.  We have our own brand/logo for MicroProfile,
but we didn't require a blessing from the Technology PMC.  I would
assume the same type of process would apply to all of the EE4J component
projects.

Were you told to ask the PMC for permission?  Just curious if we're
getting different instructions.  Thanks, Markus!

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From:        "Markus
KARG" <markus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To:        <ee4j-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date:        05/07/2018
05:47 PM
Subject:        [ee4j-pmc]
Design Contest: Replacement for Duke Mascot
Sent by:        ee4j-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx

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Dear PMC,

recently I was told by the EF that I must not further use the Duke as a Mascot for any EE4J projects, as the EF wants to trademark all logos but the Duke is trademarked by Oralce.

While I literally hate this decision, I have to respect it and find a solution. For marketing reasons, and just for fun, having a Mascot would be great.

The only solution I do see is that we have to start a Mascot Design Contest. BTW, this time we should respect all the critics we earned with the Logo Design Contest: We need to have clearly described ALL criteria upfront, give enough time (six weeks at least), and publicly announce on the mailing list.

What do you think?

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