Re: [ee4j-pmc] Hierarchical project structure

[Ian Robinson <ian_robinson@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Agreed - and it will either pick up support
or not over time as we get more experience in EE4J. I already brought up
another topic with Kevin (unrelated - readoption of JAX-WS and JAXB into
EE as they exit SE) as something we should log as an issue for the PMC
to consider so we do need an issue process. Is there a plan for a PMC github
repo against which issues like this can be raised/tracked? I'll be happy
to raise it there to come back to in the future if we see a need.

Regards,
Ian

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From:      
 Wayne Beaton <wayne.beaton@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To:      
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Date:      
 14/12/2017 21:27
Subject:    
   [ee4j-pmc] Hierarchical
project structure
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This is probably the sort of thing that we should move
to either a Bugzilla record or a GitHub Issue so that others can engage
and we can track the decision. Feel free to do so if you feel that it's
worth consideration.

Wayne


On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 11:55 AM, Ian Robinson <ian_robinson@xxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Certainly no messing about here before
we are bootstraped, and only if it seems valuable. By "working around"
I mean things we have discussed previously about easy of navigation between
peer projects and now the web sites for those projects. Maybe once we have
progressed the branding name and created web pages associated with this
then an overarching organizational view can be represented here.  

Regards, 
Ian 

Ian Robinson, IBM Distinguished
Engineer
WebSphere Foundation Chief Architect 
IBM Hursley, UK 
irobins@xxxxxxxxxx
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From:        Wayne
Beaton <wayne.beaton@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To:        Ian
Robinson <ian_robinson@xxxxxxxxxx>
Cc:        EE4J
PMC Discussions <ee4j-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date:        14/12/2017
05:13 
Subject:        Re:
[ee4j-pmc] Short names and URLs

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A hierarchical structure is more work for the project team. By introducing
an extra level of hierarchy, you are introducing extra projects which require
additional management. Just setting them up requires that you come up with
names. What resources are allocated to the organizational nodes? Do those
extra nodes in the hierarchy have their own websites? Who has what roles
on those organizational nodes? 

Frankly, it's not all that much more work for me. 

What, specifically, are we doing to work around a "flat" structure?

If there is some demonstrable value in having a hierarchy within EE4J,
we can introduce it. But let's do that after we get what we have bootstrapped.

Wayne 

On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 11:46 PM, Ian Robinson <ian_robinson@xxxxxxxxxx>
wrote: 
Wayne, a hierarchical structure might be more work for Eclipse but every
time we discuss this we seem to end up trying to work around the flat structure.
I don't want to slow us down by reopening this but I would not be surprised
if a year along we found ourselves needing to do that. There's a level
of collective scale here that a project hierarchy may have a benefit that
eclipse has not observed before 

Regards,
Ian
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Bill Shannon --- Re: [ee4j-pmc] Short names and URLs ---

From:	"Bill Shannon" <bill.shannon@xxxxxxxxxx>
To:	"Wayne Beaton" <wayne.beaton@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc:	"EE4J PMC Discussions" <ee4j-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date:	Wed, 13 Dec 2017 22:53
Subject:	Re: [ee4j-pmc] Short names and URLs

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If the web sites for all the EE4J projects were under http://www.eclipse.org/ee4j/,
that would at least make the naming consistent.  Ditto https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/ee4j/. 
Is there some reason not to do that?

Wayne Beaton wrote on 12/13/17 02:33 PM: 
The project space is absolutely a hierarchy. e.g. look at the "Related
Links" on the right of https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/ecd

I tend to argue against making a hierarchy any deeper than <root>/<tlp>/<project>
because making it deeper adds work that doesn't add value. 

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