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On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 2:45 PM Werner Keil <werner.keil@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Ivar,

Thanks for the update. Any plans to put that into Eclipse Wiki of EE4J?

If there are any strong opinions about where it should be, then of course. For now, let's just keep it where it is. After all GitHub is probably one click closer than the Eclipse tools for most of us on a day-to-day basis.
Â

And since a few others like Ondro also would appreciate having quality metrics, what about the usage ofÂhttps://wiki.eclipse.org/SonarQube#Setting_up_SonarQube_for_Eclipse.org_projects ?

Stay tuned...
Â

It seems available to all projects with a JIPP instance, so are individual projects at least highly motivated if not required to use that?;-)

I know some also discuss using Travis-CI in parallel, but for the official Jakarta EE release I trust those have to be coordinated somehow, so even if projects can use e.g. Travis, TeamCity or CircleCI on their own when it comes to platform releases those have to be a little more consistent and coordinated.

This is also on the way...
Â

Werner


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Good move :)

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 11:53 AM, Paul White
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>
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Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2018 11:33:55 +0000
From: Ivar Grimstad <ivar.grimstad@xxxxxxxxx>

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Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] EE4J code conventions?
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Hi all,

I just published a link to recommendations from the PMC regarding code
conventions on the ee4j-pmc mailing list.

https://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/ee4j-pmc/msg00250.html

Ivar

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 11:52 AM Werner Keil <werner.keil@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> +1
>
> If a proper common rule set for things like SonarQube, FindBugs, Codacy
> (also using that for some JSRs) or similar can be found, that one should
> certainly not fail (aka contain 700 Grade F mistakes in the code like
> OpenJDK does)
>
> I would even go as far as having a minimum of A or B as a quality gate
> before a certain component gets approved for a Jakarta EE release but those
> are "code smells", possible bugs or worse, not if the bracket is in the
> same line or a line contains 128 instead of 100 characters.
>
> Werner
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 8:35 AM, <ee4j-community-request@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
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>>Â Â 1. Re: EE4J code conventions? (arjan tijms)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2018 07:35:43 +0100
>> From: arjan tijms <arjan.tijms@xxxxxxxxx>
>
>
>> To: EE4J community discussions <ee4j-community@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] EE4J code conventions?
>> Message-ID:
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>> It?s also convenient to be able to point new contributors to a document
>
>
>> that says which style is being used.
>>
>> Definitely should not fail builds because of a bracket on a wrong line.
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 10, 2018, Ondrej Mih?lyi <ondrej.mihalyi@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>
>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > -1 to enforcing code style
>> > +1 to monitoring code quality and even enforce some metrics (e.g. method
>> > length)
>> >
>> > Style is a matter of taste and I've never saw that enforcing it really
>> > worked. Rarely it improves the code readability and often slows
>> everybody
>> > down with a lot of broken builds just because of a bracket on a
>> different
>> > line.
>> >
>> > If qe decide to enforce style, then absolute basics which bring the most
>> > value (e.g. no tabs but spaces, no if statements without brackets, etc)
>> >
>> > Code quality is more important for keeping the code readable and
>> > maintainable but I would also enforce only a handful of basic and most
>> > important rules.
>> >
>> > Ondro
>>
> > ------------------------------
>> > *From:* ee4j-community-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx <ee4j-community-bounces@
>
>
>> > eclipse.org> on behalf of Werner Keil <werner.keil@xxxxxxxxx>
>>
> > *Sent:* Monday, April 9, 2018 11:17:18 PM
>
>
>> > *To:* EE4J community discussions
>>
> > *Subject:* Re: [ee4j-community] EE4J code conventions?
>
>
>> >
>> > I would say from a point of potential users of Jakarta EE it is far less
>> > important if the braces close in the same line, developers use the
>> > "Hungarian notation" or not, but a certain level of code quality should
>> be
>> > displayed if Multi Billion Dollar companies are supposed to use and
>> trust
>> > it.
>> >
>> > As Bill mentioned, OpenJDK failed to implement a common coding
>> guideline.
>> > And based on SonarCloud it also failed quite miserable when it comes to
>> > code quality and avoiding code smells or technical debt:
>> > https://sonarcloud.io/dashboard?id=openjdk (this was last analyzed in
>> > October 2017 shortly after Java 9 went Final)
>> >
>> > A small number of Eclipse projects like Eclipse Collections also uses
>> that
>> > public SonarCloud instance:
>> > https://sonarcloud.io/explore/projects?search=eclipse And compared to
>> > OpenJDK it looks much better. Whether each individual project or
>> cumulated
>> > for Jakarta EE, it would be very beneficial to have that for key
>> components
>> > of EE4J / Jakarta EE
>> >
>> > Werner
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 10:59 PM, <ee4j-community-request@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > wrote:
>> >
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>> >>
>> >>Â Â 1. Re: EE4J code conventions? (Werner Keil)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >>
>> >> Message: 1
>> >> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2018 22:59:40 +0200
>> >> From: Werner Keil <werner.keil@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >> To: EE4J community discussions <ee4j-community@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] EE4J code conventions?
>> >> Message-ID:
>> >>Â Â Â Â Â<CAAGawe014cdmriPQrHi5QHoztqhixYiVksKorbfBYDbETxA4mw@xxxxxxx
>> >> ail.com>
>> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> >>
>> >> Bill,
>> >>
>> >> I guess if this draft was created in OpenJDK it may be used and needs
>> no
>> >> clearance by Oracle Legal, etc. correct?
>> >>
>> >> Given that what so far exists in Eclipse Wiki is not much more than the
>> >> Copyright notice paragraph in a slightly different way.
>> >>
>> >> Sharing something like it in a wiki sounds good.
>> >>
>> >> How many projects under the Java EE umbrella with Oracle being Spec
>> Leads
>> >> do you remember doing what they want regardless of guidance by the
>> >> Umbrella
>> >> Spec Leads or Oracle/Sun Java architects?
>> >>
>> >> Werner
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 10:44 PM, <ee4j-community-request@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
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>> >> >
>> >> > Today's Topics:
>> >> >
>> >> >Â Â 1. Re: EE4J code conventions? (Bill Shannon)
>> >> >Â Â 2. Re: EE4J code conventions? (Lukas Jungmann)
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> >
>> >> > Message: 1
>> >> > Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2018 13:32:46 -0700
>> >> > From: Bill Shannon <bill.shannon@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> > To: EE4J community discussions <ee4j-community@xxxxxxxxxxx>,
>> arjan
>> >> >Â Â Â Â Âtijms <arjan.tijms@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >> > Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] EE4J code conventions?
>> >> > Message-ID: <836e9474-133b-c395-2186-2de6bceced50@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> >> >
>> >> > -100
>> >> >
>> >> > Coding style and conventions are very important, but based on
>> decades of
>> >> > experience dealing with these issues, you're going to waste a lot of
>> >> time
>> >> > arguing about the details and in the end many people are not going to
>> >> > agree and
>> >> > are going to do whatever they want.? Fighting about this is just not
>> >> > important
>> >> > and doesn't help the community.? Lots of people like the idea of
>> having
>> >> > code
>> >> > conventions, but getting lots of people to agree on a specific coding
>> >> > style is
>> >> > very difficult.
>> >> >
>> >> > If you want to recommend some guidelines that aren't enforced, then
>> >> start
>> >> > with
>> >> > what already exists.? If you don't like the existing guidelines, then
>> >> you
>> >> > understand why this is a hard problem.? The OpenJDK community already
>> >> went
>> >> > through this and the closest they got was this draft
>> >> > <http://cr.openjdk.java.net/%7Ealundblad/styleguide/index-v6.html>.?
>> >> Use
>> >> > that.
>> >> >
>> >> > An individual project might want to enforce stricter rules or have
>> >> > different
>> >> > conventions.? That's fine.? But give up trying to enforce something
>> for
>> >> > all of EE4J.
>> >> >
>> >> > This is a bike shed that we don't need to paint.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > arjan tijms wrote on 04/ 8/18 03:08 PM:
>> >> > > Hi,
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I wonder if it would be a good idea to define a set of code
>> >> conventions
>> >> > for
>> >> > > EE4J going forward.?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > It looks like Oracle never really had one, or at least if there was
>> >> one
>> >> > did
>> >> > > not enforce it. Specially the Mojarra code base and the parts of
>> the
>> >> > code in
>> >> > > GlassFish that implement JACC and JASPIC have a rather inconsistent
>> >> > formatting
>> >> > > and overal style.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > My initial proposal would be something along the following lines:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Formatting:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Eclipse/Sun code conventions with
>> >> > > - Spaces only
>> >> > > - Indentation size 4 spaces
>> >> > > - Maximum line width 160
>> >> > > - Maximum width for comments 120
>> >> > > - No indent of Javadoc tags
>> >> > > - No newline after @param tags
>> >> > >
>> >> > > As for the Javadoc, the Sun code conventions don't specify these
>> >> > directly.
>> >> > > There's a separate article from Oracle though that uses examples
>> for
>> >> an
>> >> > highly
>> >> > > indented style though, that would be an alternative candidate.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > The style I'm referring to above seems fairly common and looks like
>> >> this
>> >> > for
>> >> > > example:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >Â Â Â?@param a The first parameter. For an optimum result, this
>> should
>> >> be
>> >> > an odd
>> >> > >Â Â Â? number between 0 and 100.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Variable naming style:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Based on the advice from?Uncle Bob's Clean Code, specifically:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > -No cryptic abbreviations like c, ta, rx, ct, with the exception of
>> >> the
>> >> > well
>> >> > > established i and J in loops
>> >> > > -No variable names like ret, rvalue, result etc for variables that
>> are
>> >> > > returned from methods. Instead, the should be named after what they
>> >> > actually
>> >> > > return. For example:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Bad:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > public Permissions getCallerPermission(....) {
>> >> > > ? ? Permissions rvalue;
>> >> > > ? ? // ton of code
>> >> > >
>> >> > > ? ? return rvalue;
>> >> > > }
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Good:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > public Permissions getCallerPermissions(....) {
>> >> > > ? ? Permissions callerPermissions;
>> >> > > ? ? // ton of code
>> >> > >
>> >> > > ? ? return?callerPermissions;
>> >> > > }
>> >> > >
>> >> > > -No Hungarian variations for collections like usrLst, usArray,
>> >> arrUsers,
>> >> > > UserCol, etc, and no such variation for elements of the collection
>> >> like
>> >> > el,
>> >> > > elm, usrEl, userElem, currentUsr, curUser, userCr, etc. Omit the
>> >> > Hungarian and
>> >> > > use the element type name directly and the plural of that for the
>> >> > collection.?
>> >> > > For example:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Bad:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > for (User curUsr : colUser) {
>> >> > > ? ? ?...
>> >> > > }
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Good:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > for (User user : users) {
>> >> > > ? ? ?...
>> >> > > }
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Conditional blocks
>> >> > >
>> >> > > - Handle the short and fast error case for method parameters early
>> >> > instead of
>> >> > > the happy path. For example:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Bad:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > public void foo(Bar bar) {
>> >> > > ? ? if (bar != null) {
>> >> > > ? ? ? ? // lots of code here
>> >> > > ? ? } else {
>> >> > > ? ? ? ? throw new IllegalStateException("Bar should not be null");
>> >> > > ? ? }
>> >> > > }
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Good:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > public void foo(Bar bar) {
>> >> > > ? ? if (bar == null) {
>> >> > > ? ? ? ? throw new IllegalStateException("Bar should not be null");
>> >> > > ? ? }
>> >> > >
>> >> > > ? ? // lots of code here
>> >> > > }
>> >> > >
>> >> > > - if/else blocks that return don't need to be if/else blocks. For
>> >> > example:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Bad:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > if (foo == something) {
>> >> > > ? ?return somethingFoo;
>> >> > > } else if (foo == somethingElse) {
>> >> > > ? ?return somethingElseFoo;
>> >> > > }
>> >> > > ? ?
>> >> > > Good:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > if (foo == something) {
>> >> > > ? ?return somethingFoo;
>> >> > > }
>> >> > >
>> >> > > if (foo == somethingElse) {
>> >> > > ? ?return somethingElseFoo;
>> >> > > }
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Defaults
>> >> > >
>> >> > > - Omit initialisation of instance variables to their default
>> values.
>> >> For
>> >> > example:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Bad:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > public class SomeClass {
>> >> > > ? ? private int someNumber = 0;
>> >> > > ? ? private Foo someFoo = null;
>> >> > > ? ? private boolean isFoo = false;
>> >> > > }
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Good:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > public class SomeClass {
>> >> > > ? ? private int someNumber;
>> >> > > ? ? private Foo someFoo;
>> >> > > ? ? private boolean isFoo;
>> >> > > }
>> >> > >
>> >> > > - Omit using the pubic modifier for interface methods .For example:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Bad:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > public interface MyInterface {
>> >> > > ? ? public void MyMethod();
>> >> > > }
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Good:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > public interface MyInterface {
>> >> > > ? ? void MyMethod();
>> >> > > }
>> >> > >
>> >> > > - Omit unnecessary braces. For example:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Bad
>> >> > >
>> >> > > return (1);
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Good
>> >> > >
>> >> > > return 1;
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > A large number of additional code convention rules are contained in
>> >> the
>> >> > well
>> >> > > known SonarQube. The default rule set ("the sonar way") is
>> probably a
>> >> > good
>> >> > > starting point and with sonarcloud.io <http://sonarcloud.io> it
>> >> would be
>> >> > > relatively easy to check each EE4J project. Rules that would be
>> >> > specifically
>> >> > > good IMHO to pay attention to are the ones that warn for high
>> levels
>> >> of
>> >> > > cyclomatic complexity and large classes.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Thoughts?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Kind regards,
>> >> > > Arjan Tijms
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > ?
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > _______________________________________________
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>> >> > Message: 2
>> >> > Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2018 22:44:34 +0200
>> >> > From: Lukas Jungmann <lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> > To: ee4j-community@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> > Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] EE4J code conventions?
>> >> > Message-ID: <5b29c4c1-54dc-8d8b-aec2-041533ec2013@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>> >> >
>> >> > On 4/9/18 9:46 PM, arjan tijms wrote:
>> >> > > Hi,
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On Monday, April 9, 2018, Jason Greene <jason.greene@xxxxxxxxxx
>> >> > > <mailto:jason.greene@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >Â Â ÂThe other factor to keep in mind is there is going to be
>> gigantic
>> >> > >Â Â Âsource import from a bunch of different projects that each may
>> >> have
>> >> > >Â Â Âfollowed different conventions.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >Â Â ÂMany have established communities and may have strong opinions
>> >> about
>> >> > >Â Â Âthis.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > You are right that if it would be totally different projects from
>> >> > > different origins that would be a major issue, but in this case
>> aren?t
>> >> > > all the transferred projects the RI projects from Oracle?
>> >> >
>> >> > yes and no. EclipseLink while being among those being transferred is
>> >> > under EF control since 2007 and its roots dates back to 1996 (if we
>> are
>> >> > talking only about its Java version), with Oracle and IBM being most
>> >> > active committers there during last say ~5 years
>> >> >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > They already have essentially the Sun/Eclipse conventions with
>> spaces.
>> >> > > At least, as far as I know not a single one of the former Oracle
>> >> > > projects use tabs. One project that does uses tabs is OmniFaces
>> btw ;)
>> >> >
>> >> > there were parts which were using Tabs; there were also files which
>> were
>> >> > using mixed line-endings (yeah believe it or not there really were
>> files
>> >> > where some lines ended with LF and others with CR/LF - don't ask me
>> how
>> >> > that could happen) - both of these "issues" were "fixed" few years
>> ago
>> >> > and that was the only (history destructive) code-formatting change we
>> >> > were willing to make.
>> >> >
>> >> > thanks,
>> >> > --lukas
>> >> >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > One important thing to note is that the proposal in the opening
>> post
>> >> is
>> >> > > just that, a proposal. The idea was that a convention would be
>> >> > > established by committers from all EE4J modules (projects), which
>> >> > > however are not rarely the same people.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Kind regards,
>> >> > > Arjan
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >>Â Â ÂOn Apr 9, 2018, at 12:54 PM, Markus KARG <
>> markus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> > >>Â Â Â<mailto:markus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>Â Â ÂYou assumption is wrong. The open source project is not EE4J.
>> >> EE4J
>> >> > >>Â Â Âis only a common organization within the EF, and the projects
>> are
>> >> > >>Â Â Âself-governing. Believe Mike, he should know best? ;-)____
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>Â Â Â__ __
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>Â Â ÂBTW, I am contributing to dozens of open source projects,
>> none of
>> >> > >>Â Â Âthem share formatting rules, and never had a problem with
>> that.
>> >> > >>Â Â Â;-)____
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>Â Â Â__ __
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>Â Â ÂAnyways, the PMC will be wise enough to decide.____
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>Â Â Â__ __
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>Â Â Â-Markus____
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>Â Â Â__ __
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>Â Â Â__ __
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>Â Â Â*From:*ee4j-community-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> > >>Â Â Â<mailto:ee4j-community-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> > >>Â Â Â[mailto:ee4j-community-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> > >>Â Â Â<mailto:ee4j-community-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>] *On Behalf Of
>> >> *arjan
>> >> > >>Â Â Âtijms
>> >> > >>Â Â Â*Sent:* Montag, 9. April 2018 16:42
>> >> > >>Â Â Â*To:* EE4J community discussions
>> >> > >>Â Â Â*Subject:* Re: [ee4j-community] EE4J code conventions?____
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>Â Â Â__ __
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>Â Â ÂHi,____
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>Â Â Â__ __
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>Â Â ÂOn Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 2:18 PM, Mike Milinkovich
>> >> > >>Â Â Â<mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> > >>Â Â Â<mailto:mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:____
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>Â Â ÂBecause Eclipse Foundation open source projects are
>> >> self-governing
>> >> > >>Â Â Âmeritocracies, and we don't tell them what to do. Ultimately,
>> it
>> >> > >>Â Â Âis the committers who would need to do the work, and I don't
>> >> think
>> >> > >>Â Â Âany of us get to tell them how to spend their time. ____
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>Â Â Â__ __
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>Â Â ÂI can see that, but in this case the open source project
>> would be
>> >> > >>Â Â ÂEE4J, with all the concrete projects being sub-projects of
>> that,
>> >> > >>Â Â Ânot totally independent projects.____
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>Â Â Â__ __
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>Â Â ÂI know it's not totally the same, but suppose that in Mojarra
>> I'm
>> >> > >>Â Â Âresponsible for the component package, while say Bauke works
>> on
>> >> > >>Â Â Âthe websocket package. Naturally we'd want a single code
>> >> > >>Â Â Âconvention for Mojarra, not one per package.____
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>Â Â Â__ __
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>Â Â ÂNow when seeing EE4J as one project, the question might be
>> >> whether
>> >> > >>Â Â Âit really makes sense to have separate code conventions per
>> >> > >>Â Â Â'module', but I guess it also depends on how much one sees
>> EE4J
>> >> as
>> >> > >>Â Â Â1 framework, or more as a set of somewhat cobbled together
>> >> > >>Â Â Âindependent projects. I personally would lean more to the
>> former,
>> >> > >>Â Â Âbut I know historically it has been more of the latter.____
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>Â Â Â__ __
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>Â Â ÂThere is the issue though that in EE4J we do have an amount of
>> >> > >>Â Â Âcommitters that are active on many EE4J projects, and the
>> Jakarta
>> >> > >>Â Â ÂEE/Eclipse process might make that easier than before with
>> Java
>> >> EE
>> >> > >>Â Â Âand the JCP.____
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>Â Â Â__ __
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>Â Â ÂFor those people specifically it would perhaps not be entirely
>> >> > >>Â Â Âoptimal having to change between conventions all the time,
>> say if
>> >> > >>Â Â ÂMojarra decided to got for tabs, but Soteria would go for
>> spaces.
>> >> > >>Â Â ÂIt also would make building and sharing build knowledge more
>> >> > >>Â Â Âdifficult if for example Mojarra switched over the Gradle, but
>> >> > >>Â Â ÂSoteria kept using Maven, and then Jersey switched over to
>> Ant,
>> >> > >>Â Â Âwith Grizzly going to Make.____
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>Â Â Â__ __
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>Â Â ÂKind regards,____
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>Â Â ÂArjan____
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>Â Â Â__ __
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>Â Â Â__ __
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>Â Â Â__ __
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>Â Â Â__ __
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>Â Â Â__ __
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>Â Â Â__ __
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>Â Â Â____
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>Â Â Â Â ÂI'm not saying that this is an unreasonable idea. But
>> >> > >>Â Â Â Â Âgenerally speaking open source projects don't respond
>> well to
>> >> > >>Â Â Â Â Âbeing ordered about. Ivar has already said that he'll
>> raise
>> >> it
>> >> > >>Â Â Â Â Âwith the PMC. Let's wait and see how that plays out.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>Â Â Â Â Â____
>> >> > >>
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