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Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current state of Java EE 8

Werner,

Correct that you mention that everything can be used with Maven. But the purpose of the IDE should be that it helps you (autocomplete, indicate errors, etc ...) coding your app. When eclipse IDE is not updated to Java EE 8 (or Jakarta EE) then I see no point in using it (as it will slow me down!). 

Updating Eclipse IDE should receive the highest priority (although I'm an IntelliJ fan and probably will not switch)

Rudy

On 27 February 2018 at 15:49, Werner Keil <werner.keil@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Alex,

Java EE 8 is no under the hood of the Eclipse Foundation. It's only the next generation which we heard a majority wants to be called "Jakarta EE". Wheter Jakarta EE will start with 1.0 or 9.0 I guess that is up to the EE4J PMC or similar bodies, including the yet to be fully formed EE.next WG.

If you build your Java EE apps with Maven or Gradle then it should not be a problem in most IDEs.
You may have to retrieve a rather large (several hundred MB in most cases) app server distro for Payara 5 or Wildfly 12 Beta, but then it hardly matters which IDE you use. And you can use all the Java EE 8 features each of the containers already supports.

Werner 



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   1. Re: Eclipse is still behind the current state of Java EE 8
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 21:45:37 -0500
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Hi Alexander,
 Both Intellij (Ultimate) and NetBeans have excellent support for Java EE. Eclipse is definitely way behind, its support for _javascript_ is absolutely abysmal as well. This has been the case fo many years now. I would raise this issue with the Eclipse IDE and in the meantime recommend checking out either NetBeans or IntelliJ Ultimate. When I give Java EE training classes at work I always use NetBeans as it is free and includes GlassFish (integrated).

 Note, Oracle donated NetBeans to Apache, that donation looks to be going pretty well.

 Excluding Eclipse, the state of Java EE tooling is pretty good.

-Ryan

> On Feb 25, 2018, at 5:37 AM, Alexander Salvanos <salvanos@xxxxxx> wrote:
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> Dear Colleagues,
>
> the current version of "Java EE for Developers" (with Eclipse Oxygen) is still far behind the current state of Java EE 8.
> This not only concerns the GlassFish tools, but also WTP.
> Almost all technologies aren't referred updated.
> E.g. When using JSF, still the deprecated "managed bean package" way is offered.
> When using project facets, alsmost all the technologies are been offered in older versions.
> We need to be vigorously and decidedly updating here, because not only does this endanger the Eclipse IDE,
> but also the Java EE 8 standard, since Eclipse is the most widely used IDE for Java EE.
>
> Best Regards,
> Alex
>
> Alexander Salvanos
> Goebenstr.5
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While I myself am an avid NetBeans user, I do agree excellent support in the Eclipse IDE is extremely important for the success of Jakarata EE for the reasons stated.
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-------- Original message --------From: Alexander Salvanos <salvanos@xxxxxx> Date: 2/27/18  5:29 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: ee4j-community@xxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current state of Java EE 8
Hi Ryan,

?

thank your for your reply. Well, in my project we use IntelliJ as the IDE for the consulters.

Our client is using the Eclipse IDE though, since they are from the public sector and cannot buy the expensive license.

NetBeans was not an option, because of several problems we were having integrating our server.

However, the problem is that the Eclipse IDE is being used in the market by far more then 70% of the Java EE developers.

This is a statistic that was automatically collected last year by the Consulter-Agency GULP here in Germany.

And now that Java EE 8 is under the hood of the Eclipse Foundation, it would be beneficial to have a good support of Java EE 8 in the Eclipse IDE.

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Kind Regards,

Alex

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Gesendet:?Dienstag, 27. Februar 2018 um 03:45 Uhr

Von:?"Ryan Cuprak" <rcuprak@xxxxxxxxx>

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Hi Alexander,

?Both Intellij (Ultimate) and NetBeans have excellent support for Java EE. Eclipse is definitely way behind, its support for _javascript_ is?absolutely?abysmal as well. This has been the case fo many years now. I would raise this issue with the Eclipse IDE and in the meantime recommend checking out either NetBeans or IntelliJ Ultimate. When I give Java EE training classes at work I always use NetBeans as it is free and includes GlassFish (integrated).?

?

?Note, Oracle donated NetBeans to Apache, that donation looks to be going pretty well.?

?

?Excluding Eclipse, the state of Java EE tooling is pretty good.?

?

-Ryan

?


On Feb 25, 2018, at 5:37 AM, Alexander Salvanos <salvanos@xxxxxx> wrote:
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Dear Colleagues,

?

the current version of "Java EE for Developers" (with Eclipse Oxygen) is still far behind the current state of Java EE 8.

This not only concerns the GlassFish tools, but also WTP.

Almost all technologies aren't referred updated.

E.g. When using JSF, still the deprecated "managed bean package" way is offered.

When using project facets, alsmost all the technologies are been offered in older versions.

We need to be vigorously and decidedly updating here, because not only does this endanger the Eclipse IDE,

but also the Java EE 8 standard, since Eclipse is the most widely used IDE for Java EE.

?

Best Regards,

Alex




Alexander Salvanos

Goebenstr.5

D-53113 Bonn

Telefon: +49 (151) 24296962


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