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Re: [ee4j-community] ee4j-community Digest, Vol 5, Issue 76
Mike,

You confirm a good case, that MicroProfile is simply moving too fast for the Enterprise world and that vendors can barely cope with it, Payara is certainly not alone in that ;-)

That particular problem is not exactly for EE4J, but the initial discussion was purely about how certain features like the REST client could be more useful in EE4J than elsewhere, that belongs here I'd say.

Werner



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   1. Re: ee4j-community Digest, Vol 5, Issue 76 (Mike Croft)


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Werner - you'll notice that that list is of MP 1.2 specifications which, as I said earlier, will be implemented in Payara Server and Micro from the next release (hence "coming soon"). The omission of all MP 1.3 specifications from that list does not mean they will not be implemented and it is disingenuous to claim otherwise. 

Regardless - an EE4J mailing list is not the appropriate place to have discussions about MicroProfile.

Thanks,
Mike Croft
Java Middleware Consultant
Payara Services Limited

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The mentioned page states clearly that

  *   Config
  *   Metrics
(coming soon)
  *   Healthcheck
(coming soon)
  *   JWT Propagation
(coming soon)
  *   Fault Tolerance
(coming soon)

would be supported later, but not the REST Client.
Neither MicroProfile nor EE4J have mandatory requirements that you MUST support everything, and some features make more sense for the wider community than others.

HTH,
Werner


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"Nobody really implements most of the new MP features, except a single vendor maybe, sometimes specs or APIs don't have any implementation.

Payara Micro has not gone beyond MP 1.1 and https://www.payara.fish/payara_micro shows only a few others are supported. Rest Client isn't, It is likely to see a broader vendor support in EE4J / a future JAX-RS spec for sure."

This isn't very accurate. Payara (Server and Micro) are targeting the next release for MP 1.2 support, as we've announced previously and we are currently working on 1.3 specs.


MicroProfile is a very fast moving specification and it's natural for there to be some lead time in implementing some specifications. MP 1.3 has only been released for less than a month, so to use that as evidence that specs are not "likely to see broader vendor support" is misleading.

Thanks,
Mike Croft
Java Middleware Consultant
Payara Services Limited

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CDI itself, Bean Validation or Ozark have also been Apache only and at least Ozark/MVC did, too.
Whatever the PMC decided when incorporating all that, it should be possible to integrate field studies at MicroProfile into EE4J for wider adoption.

Nobody really implements most of the new MP features, except a single vendor maybe, sometimes specs or APIs don't have any implementation.
Payara Micro has not gone beyond MP 1.1 and https://www.payara.fish/payara_micro shows only a few others are supported. Rest Client isn't, It is likely to see a broader vendor support in EE4J / a future JAX-RS spec for sure.

Werner


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   1. Re: JAX-RS Now Available in Git (John D. Ament)


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Assuming you mean the Apache License (since ASL stands for Amazon Software
License), I believe you are correct.  I think it was also called out when
the MicroProfile project was created that other projects within Eclipse
wouldn't be able to directly use the source code due to the single Apache
License state of all features.  Since its the original authors' IP, you
would need those authors to relicense the IP.

But I'll be honest, I'm not sure what the MP rest client has to do with the
server runtime issues Arjan's mentioned.  I feel the same pain, but at the
same time would recommend leveraging common annotations (javax.annotation)
over coming up with a JAX-RS specific annotation, at the end of the day I
would love to see an entire "EE4J feature" around security that doesn't
require any runtime, maybe even just a plain CDI extension.

I can tell you that I've been experimenting within Apache CXF around
tighter CDI integration on the server components to make the CDI runtime
work a bit nicer.  Some of the recent features done:

- Support for CDI @Inject of all @Context objects
- More ways to automatically register providers

Most of this will be coming in the 3.2.2 release.  Would love to be able to
help get some of these features into the JAX-RS spec (whatever that means
in the future).

John

On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 1:25 PM Mrinal Kanti M <mrinal.kanti@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:mrinal.kanti@xxxxxxxxx><mailto:mrinal.kanti@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:mrinal.kanti@xxxxxxxxx>>>
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> I think there is a potential license compatibility issue with using
> EPL2/GPL2CE licensed code in ASL which is used by MicroProfile (probably
> due to the one-way-only compatibility). I believe this was discussed in the
> context of the Ozark project during the last PMC meeting of Jan 9.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Werner Keil <werner.keil@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:werner.keil@xxxxxxxxx><mailto:werner.keil@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:werner.keil@xxxxxxxxx>>>
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>
>
> > These gaps become painfully obvious in the MicroProfile project, where
> an ad-hoc mechanism had to be invented
>
>
>
> I said earlier on, this MicroProfile "REST Client" was a bit of a fork and
> should better be integrated with JAX-RS in EE4J. As both are Eclipse
> projects doing so should not be difficult. Sooner or later e.g.
> MicroProfile Config will also be retired in favor of JSR 382 or just remain
> a bridge like apache-commons-logging.
>
>
>
> Werner
>
>
>
>
>
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> Hi,
>
> Indeed, JAX-RS is pretty stable. There's a few gaps in how security works
> in a standard way without any explicit (or even implicit) dependency on
> Servlet, so that would be a good thing to address. These gaps become
> painfully obvious in the MicroProfile project, where an ad-hoc mechanism
> had to be invented on the spot (the not really ideal @LoginConfig
> annotation) to setup security.
>
> There's also some security "backbone" missing, making it hard to answer
> security queries like: "to which JAX-RS methods (endpoints) does the
> current caller have access".
>
> Kind regards,
> Arjan Tijms
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 12:52 PM, reza_rahman <reza_rahman@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:reza_rahman@xxxxxxxxx><mailto:reza_rahman@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:reza_rahman@xxxxxxxxx>>>
> wrote:
>
> > +1. This is what I had in mind for JAX-RS too. In addition, JAX-RS needs
> > to support Java SE 9 modules and possibly reactive streams.
> >
> > Other than this, I think JAX-RS is pretty much stable. I really think a
> > "minor player" like someone from the community or the CXF folks could
> take
> > over JAX-RS now (hint, hint :-)). This will allow the "big guys" to focus
> > on where the heavy lifting is necessary.
> >
> > Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
> >
> > -------- Original message --------
> > From: arjan tijms <arjan.tijms@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:arjan.tijms@xxxxxxxxx><mailto:arjan.tijms@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:arjan.tijms@xxxxxxxxx>>>
> > Date: 1/19/18 5:41 PM (GMT-05:00)
> > To: EE4J community discussions <ee4j-community@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:ee4j-community@eclipse.org><mailto:ee4j-community@eclipse.org<mailto:ee4j-community@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>
> > Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] JAX-RS Now Available in Git
> >
> > Super news! :)
> >
> > I hope we can start work on evolving the API soon.
> >
> > My two initial proposals would be to further align with CDI and to define
> > support for the existing javax.annotation.security.RolesAllowed
> > annotation (several JAX-RS implementations already support that in a
> > proprietary way, and MicroProfile JWT-AUTH defines this for JAX-RS as
> well).
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Arjan Tijms
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 9:53 PM, dmitry.kornilov <
> > dmitry.kornilov@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:dmitry.kornilov@oracle.com><mailto:dmitry.kornilov@oracle.com<mailto:dmitry.kornilov@xxxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
> >
> >> Great job, Santiago! Thank you very much!
> >>
> >> -- Dmitry
> >>
> >> ?????????? ?? ????????? Samsung Galaxy.
> >>
> >> -------- ???????? ????????? --------
> >> ??: Santiago Pericas-Geertsen <Santiago.PericasGeertsen@oracle.com<mailto:Santiago.PericasGeertsen@xxxxxxxxxx><mailto:Santiago.PericasGeertsen@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:Santiago.PericasGeertsen@xxxxxxxxxx>>>
> >> ????: 19.01.18 22:37 (GMT+01:00)
> >> ????: ee4j-community@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:ee4j-community@eclipse.org><mailto:ee4j-community@eclipse.org<mailto:ee4j-community@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
> >> ????: [ee4j-community] JAX-RS Now Available in Git
> >>
> >> All,
> >>
> >>  The JAX-RS API sources are now available at [1].
> >>
> >> ? Santiago
> >>
> >> [1] https://github.com/eclipse-ee4j/jaxrs-api
> >>
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> +1 for javax.annotation.security.RolesAllowed annotation support
>
> Thanks and kind regards,
> Gaurav Gupta
> <https://twitter.com/ImJeddict>  <https://jeddict.github.io/>
> <https://www.youtube.com/JPAModeler>
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>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 8:19 PM, arjan tijms <arjan.tijms@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:arjan.tijms@xxxxxxxxx><mailto:arjan.tijms@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:arjan.tijms@xxxxxxxxx>>>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Indeed, JAX-RS is pretty stable. There's a few gaps in how security works
> > in a standard way without any explicit (or even implicit) dependency on
> > Servlet, so that would be a good thing to address. These gaps become
> > painfully obvious in the MicroProfile project, where an ad-hoc mechanism
> > had to be invented on the spot (the not really ideal @LoginConfig
> > annotation) to setup security.
> >
> > There's also some security "backbone" missing, making it hard to answer
> > security queries like: "to which JAX-RS methods (endpoints) does the
> > current caller have access".
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Arjan Tijms
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 12:52 PM, reza_rahman <reza_rahman@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:reza_rahman@xxxxxxxxx><mailto:reza_rahman@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:reza_rahman@xxxxxxxxx>>>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> +1. This is what I had in mind for JAX-RS too. In addition, JAX-RS needs
> >> to support Java SE 9 modules and possibly reactive streams.
> >>
> >> Other than this, I think JAX-RS is pretty much stable. I really think a
> >> "minor player" like someone from the community or the CXF folks could
> take
> >> over JAX-RS now (hint, hint :-)). This will allow the "big guys" to
> focus
> >> on where the heavy lifting is necessary.
> >>
> >> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
> >>
> >> -------- Original message --------
> >> From: arjan tijms <arjan.tijms@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:arjan.tijms@xxxxxxxxx><mailto:arjan.tijms@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:arjan.tijms@xxxxxxxxx>>>
> >> Date: 1/19/18 5:41 PM (GMT-05:00)
> >> To: EE4J community discussions <ee4j-community@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:ee4j-community@eclipse.org><mailto:ee4j-community@eclipse.org<mailto:ee4j-community@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>
> >> Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] JAX-RS Now Available in Git
> >>
> >> Super news! :)
> >>
> >> I hope we can start work on evolving the API soon.
> >>
> >> My two initial proposals would be to further align with CDI and to
> define
> >> support for the existing javax.annotation.security.RolesAllowed
> >> annotation (several JAX-RS implementations already support that in a
> >> proprietary way, and MicroProfile JWT-AUTH defines this for JAX-RS as
> well).
> >>
> >> Kind regards,
> >> Arjan Tijms
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 9:53 PM, dmitry.kornilov <
> >> dmitry.kornilov@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:dmitry.kornilov@oracle.com><mailto:dmitry.kornilov@oracle.com<mailto:dmitry.kornilov@xxxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Great job, Santiago! Thank you very much!
> >>>
> >>> -- Dmitry
> >>>
> >>> ?????????? ?? ????????? Samsung Galaxy.
> >>>
> >>> -------- ???????? ????????? --------
> >>> ??: Santiago Pericas-Geertsen <Santiago.PericasGeertsen@oracle.com<mailto:Santiago.PericasGeertsen@xxxxxxxxxx><mailto:Santiago.PericasGeertsen@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:Santiago.PericasGeertsen@xxxxxxxxxx>>>
> >>> ????: 19.01.18 22:37 (GMT+01:00)
> >>> ????: ee4j-community@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:ee4j-community@eclipse.org><mailto:ee4j-community@eclipse.org<mailto:ee4j-community@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
> >>> ????: [ee4j-community] JAX-RS Now Available in Git
> >>>
> >>> All,
> >>>
> >>>  The JAX-RS API sources are now available at [1].
> >>>
> >>> ? Santiago
> >>>
> >>> [1] https://github.com/eclipse-ee4j/jaxrs-api
> >>>
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