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Re: [ee4j-community] Oracle Java EE8 Issue Tracker Abandonment

+1 - this stuff takes serious time and effort, let's give the folks doing the migration some time and space to get it down and assume good intentions from the start.

Cheers,
Martijn

On 3 December 2017 at 22:02, Dmitry Kornilov <dmitry.kornilov@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
The information posted is wrong. Projects are not dead. And we are not talking about specs here. Both projects are RIs.

This is Yasson dashboard:Âhttps://goo.gl/GkG4Gz. Does it look like a dead project graph?ÂAlso, version 1.0.1 was released on Nov 10th.

Here is Jersey activity: https://github.com/jersey/jersey/graphs/commit-activity. There are less commits since a stable version was released, but itâs no doubt that work is going on. Â

Eric, posting about Java EE 8 death in every single thread wonât change priorities of issues you submitted. The main priority for us is preparing projects for EE4J migration. All other issues (including yours) are in the queue and will be addressed later, when resources are available. It can be even after Jersey->EE4J migration. Be patient.

â
Dmitry

On 3 Dec 2017, at 16:04, Werner Keil <werner.keil@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Eric,

I am not sure, which Java EE 8 specs you refer to?

Only 3 examples of Java EE 8 JSRs that also got updates of the codewithin the last 2-7 days:
or

JSR 374 got 2 service releases (1.1.1 and 1.1.2) already since Java EE 8 was published.
Grizzly just made a new release 2 days ago:Âhttps://github.com/javaee/grizzly/releases/tag/2_3_34
JTA has an ongoing MRÂhttps://jcp.org/aboutJava/communityprocess/maintenance/jsr907/index6.html the EC will have to vote on first thing next year.

While EE4J does not even have a concrete repository until the relevant bodies at Eclipse Foundation (EE4J PMC, Architecture Council, Eclipse Board, IP Lawyers, etc., there are more places things have to be approved by;-) have even approved their creation, the Java EE 8 JSRs remain active. At least until 2025 Oracle stated, it'll support it and we have not even seen any vendor apply Java EE 8 to its products yet, so there may be one or the other improvement and MR before development may stop. As both EE4J and the Java EE JSRs use GitHub, we should not see anything lost, but right now there is no evidence, issues are not worked on at Java EE on GitHub or code is pushed. GitHub is very transparent and makes contributions a lot more visible than java.net or OpenJDK did, so both Java EE 8 and EE4J offer far better transparency.

WernerÂ


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 Â1. Oracle Java EE8 Issue Tracker Abandonment (Eric Taylor)
 Â2. Re: Oracle Java EE8 Issue Tracker Abandonment (Reza Rahman)
 Â3. Re: Oracle Java EE8 Issue Tracker Abandonment (Markus KARG)
 Â4. Re: Oracle Java EE8 Issue Tracker Abandonment (Markus KARG)


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Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2017 18:20:41 +0000 (UTC)
From: Eric Taylor <etay5995@xxxxxxxxx>
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Subject: [ee4j-community] Oracle Java EE8 Issue Tracker Abandonment
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Does anyone want to address the issue of the abandonment of the Issue Trackers for major EE8 specifications? Specifically the Jersey and Yasson issue trackers seem to be dead or dying. I briefly corresponded with Dmitry Kornilov regarding the state of the Jersey issue tracker, and essentially he told me that most of the original employee developers are no longer contributing or even working at Oracle any more. He told me he was working on finding new developers, but this was over a month ago and frankly I have begun to think that Java EE8 is heading down the neglected path that EE7 was on. Issues are piling up and there is no communication between developers to even help facilitate patching and submitting pull requests. Does Oracle have any responsibility left in this, or have they just dumped Java EE8 in the Eclipse Foundation's hands and said "Good luck!"?

Is there a central point of contact regarding EE8 or is communication fragmented across each specification? Should I abandon server side Java and just start using server side _javascript_ (node.js)? Just kidding on the last part. ;)
Thanks,Eric
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Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Oracle Java EE8 Issue Tracker
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This is a very real concern for many customers. We heard the same concern at JavaOne during EE4J discussions. As I have said for a while now, the best way to address this is a realistic roadmap for EE4J including some kind of commitment, hopefully including from Oracle, as to who is taking ownership of moving which Java EE specification forward. Simply continuing to say it will take time to figure out risks people continuing to worry more and more about the future of Java EE.

At least a simple list of who wants to move which specification forward should not be so hard for a technology and market as mature as Java EE.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 2, 2017, at 1:20 PM, Eric Taylor <etay5995@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> Does anyone want to address the issue of the abandonment of the Issue Trackers for major EE8 specifications? Specifically the Jersey and Yasson issue trackers seem to be dead or dying. I briefly corresponded with Dmitry Kornilov regarding the state of the Jersey issue tracker, and essentially he told me that most of the original employee developers are no longer contributing or even working at Oracle any more. He told me he was working on finding new developers, but this was over a month ago and frankly I have begun to think that Java EE8 is heading down the neglected path that EE7 was on. Issues are piling up and there is no communication between developers to even help facilitate patching and submitting pull requests. Does Oracle have any responsibility left in this, or have they just dumped Java EE8 in the Eclipse Foundation's hands and said "Good luck!"?
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> Is there a central point of contact regarding EE8 or is communication fragmented across each specification? Should I abandon server side Java and just start using server side _javascript_ (node.js)? Just kidding on the last part. ;)
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> Thanks,
> Eric
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Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 08:56:27 +0100
From: "Markus KARG" <markus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Oracle Java EE8 Issue Tracker
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Eric,



please do not abandon server-side Java. ;-)



The transition of Jersey (and a lot more projects) from Oracle to the Eclipse Foundation is in progress. As you could imagine, this involves a lot of organizational issues. So this will take a while. Stay tuned, everything will be fine in the end. :-)



-Markus





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Sent: Samstag, 2. Dezember 2017 19:21
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Subject: [ee4j-community] Oracle Java EE8 Issue Tracker Abandonment



Does anyone want to address the issue of the abandonment of the Issue Trackers for major EE8 specifications? Specifically the Jersey and Yasson issue trackers seem to be dead or dying. I briefly corresponded with Dmitry Kornilov regarding the state of the Jersey issue tracker, and essentially he told me that most of the original employee developers are no longer contributing or even working at Oracle any more. He told me he was working on finding new developers, but this was over a month ago and frankly I have begun to think that Java EE8 is heading down the neglected path that EE7 was on. Issues are piling up and there is no communication between developers to even help facilitate patching and submitting pull requests. Does Oracle have any responsibility left in this, or have they just dumped Java EE8 in the Eclipse Foundation's hands and said "Good luck!"?



Is there a central point of contact regarding EE8 or is communication fragmented across each specification? Should I abandon server side Java and just start using server side _javascript_ (node.js)? Just kidding on the last part. ;)



Thanks,

Eric

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From: "Markus KARG" <markus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Reza,



be assured, behind the scenes people do work on the migration. At least I do know that for some of the projects, in particular Jersey. A first bunch of projects is currently in progress, other bunches will follow. But yes, certainly it would be really great to have a weekly updated web site showing the content that is currently moved and the particular progress (like "Jersey: xx%") so this is publicly trackable. I CC'ed PMC head Ivar Grimstad about this, maybe he can trigger the Eclipse Foundation to set up such a web site?



-Markus





From: ee4j-community-bounces@eclipse.org [mailto:ee4j-community-bounces@eclipse.org] On Behalf Of Reza Rahman
Sent: Samstag, 2. Dezember 2017 19:36
To: EE4J community discussions
Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Oracle Java EE8 Issue Tracker Abandonment



This is a very real concern for many customers. We heard the same concern at JavaOne during EE4J discussions. As I have said for a while now, the best way to address this is a realistic roadmap for EE4J including some kind of commitment, hopefully including from Oracle, as to who is taking ownership of moving which Java EE specification forward. Simply continuing to say it will take time to figure out risks people continuing to worry more and more about the future of Java EE.



At least a simple list of who wants to move which specification forward should not be so hard for a technology and market as mature as Java EE.

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 2, 2017, at 1:20 PM, Eric Taylor <etay5995@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Does anyone want to address the issue of the abandonment of the Issue Trackers for major EE8 specifications? Specifically the Jersey and Yasson issue trackers seem to be dead or dying. I briefly corresponded with Dmitry Kornilov regarding the state of the Jersey issue tracker, and essentially he told me that most of the original employee developers are no longer contributing or even working at Oracle any more. He told me he was working on finding new developers, but this was over a month ago and frankly I have begun to think that Java EE8 is heading down the neglected path that EE7 was on. Issues are piling up and there is no communication between developers to even help facilitate patching and submitting pull requests. Does Oracle have any responsibility left in this, or have they just dumped Java EE8 in the Eclipse Foundation's hands and said "Good luck!"?



Is there a central point of contact regarding EE8 or is communication fragmented across each specification? Should I abandon server side Java and just start using server side _javascript_ (node.js)? Just kidding on the last part. ;)



Thanks,

Eric

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