Didn't find a way to fix this, I think I'd have to override 
OraclePlatform and make my own to do custom paging. 
I ended up resolving the problem by placing a hint inside my view (bad 
practice i guess) to help the optimizer overcome whatever wonky stats it 
was looking at to make it go sideways.
I may enter a bug to add a sessioncustomizer method to disable the hint, 
since on 9i the first_rows hint forces CBO, it completely changes the 
plan of the query which can be disorienting.
./tch
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Tim Hollosy <hollosyt@xxxxxxxxx 
<mailto:hollosyt@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
    Thanks Tom, what about customizing the SQL for a particular call. A
    bit more detail:
    It's a select off of a view, using the expression API. The
    ReadAllQuery that's built with the expression then gets the
    setFirstResult stuff applied. Could I somehow intercept that SQL or
    customize that SQL to remove the hint, or change the first_rows to
    an all_rows?
    ./tch
    On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Tom Ware <tom.ware@xxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:tom.ware@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
        We have two ways of doing row number filtering.
        1. with the hint.
        2. Using JDBC
        The unfortunately thing about JDBC is it doesn't really let us
        control the first result that comes back.  We just move the
        cursor to get the firstResult when the hint is off. (the reason
        we use the hint as a default).  That means as you get deeper
        into the result set, you'll end up with bigger and bigger sets
        of results.
        Outside of the JDBC API, we have support for Scrollable Cursors,
        so that might be an option for you.
        -Tom
        Tim Hollosy wrote:
            I added the hint, now I don't see the rownum things at all
            in my paging queries. What's actually happening here, would
            all rows be brought back into memory or is JDBC filtering
            them out?
            I suspect I have some bad stats somewhere that are causing
            the CBO to go nuts with the first_rows on, and I just need
            to figure out which one and tweak it. That would be
            preferable to me than making such a large change globally in
            our app, unless of course I could tell Eclipselink to use
            rownum filtering, just without the hint....
            ./tch
            On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Tim Hollosy
            <hollosyt@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:hollosyt@xxxxxxxxx>
            <mailto:hollosyt@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:hollosyt@xxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
               Won't that not use rownum filtering for pagination
            though, then how
               would it paginate?
               ./tch
               On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Tom Ware
            <tom.ware@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tom.ware@xxxxxxxxxx>
               <mailto:tom.ware@xxxxxxxxxx
            <mailto:tom.ware@xxxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
                   Hi Tim,
                    Try using a session customizer and calling:
                 
             ((DatabasePlatform)session.____getDatasourcePlatform()).____setShouldUseRownumFiltering(____false)
                   -Tom
                   Tim Hollosy wrote:
                       We've run into a situation where the FIRST_ROWS
            hint is
                       causing major pain, selecting against a view.
            Worked fine on
                       our 10g database, production is 9i though and
            it's just
                       dying on 9i, any clue on how to tell eclipselink
            to leave
                       the hint out? When I leave it out, the query runs
            fine. I
                       saw a post from 2009 that said it wasn't possible
            to disable
                       it without modifying EL source.
                       As an alternative, any oracle wizards now how I
            might tell
                       Oracle to ignore that hint?
                       Thanks,
                       Tim
                     
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