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RE: [] A suggested topic for Planning Council Discussion

Lol J


You win this round Knuckles!


The IP issue is a good point and will grant you that.


As for requirements, other than holding up the IP process I’m not sure what stick the EMO has to enforce projects meet the requirements. If projects don’t have the resources or the mandate from the employers of the resources to do the work, it doesn’t happen. And if you kick projects off the train because of that, that could poison the community. The best stick still is influencing and that involves good communication channels open between the requirers and requirees, and, of course, a reasonable set of requirements.


Doug Schaefer, QNX Software Systems
Eclipse CDT Project Lead,

From: [] On Behalf Of Gaff, Doug
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 8:58 AM
Subject: RE: [] A suggested topic for PlanningCouncil Discussion


How about this:  Bjorn “Knuckles” Freeman-Benson.  It’s shorter and still conveys the same message.  J


You know we love  you!


From: [] On Behalf Of Bjorn Freeman-Benson
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:09 PM
Subject: Re: [] A suggested topic for PlanningCouncil Discussion


Doug, David, et al.,

Even if you’re a project that does get removed, you can still release on the same day. Other than getting your bits mentioned in an over crowded update site, it’s not overly obvious what the benefits of being in the simultaneous release trains are at the moment.

The major advantage of being in the train is priority in getting your IP reviewed. Clearly there is going to be more demand for IP reviews than the legal team will be able to handle - that's just a fact. As per the Board's desire, the IP team will prioritize the "on the train" projects higher than the "off the train but wanting to release on the same date" projects... And, if you don't have your IP reviewed, you can't release your bits... etc. So if you're a project that does get removed, you (may or) may not be able to release on the same day.

And in my mind that’s the real problem with the RC. Their influence in the day to day operations of Eclipse projects isn’t very strong.

Perhaps a better term is "non-existent" :-)

Given that committers are the only ones that have power on the projects,

Unfortunately, that's not true. The Board also has power over the projects. The Board defines the IP process, for example, and that has a big effect on the projects. And the Board has passed a unanimous resolution about the projects (and simultaneous release) being better this year. So... we (the EMO) need to follow this directive from the Board. And that means that we need firm requirements that raise the bar. Hence this discussion.

- Bjorn "once again the heavy that people complain about" Freeman-Benson


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