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RE: [] Agenda: PlanningCouncil face- to-face June 20-21

+1.  Let’s talk about specific dates next week.


From: [] On Behalf Of Harm Sluiman
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 8:13 AM
Subject: RE: [] Agenda: PlanningCouncil face- to-face June 20-21


In fact I have been asked this question a lot lately as we prepare out next wave of work.

Thanks for your time.
Harm Sluiman,
IBM Distinguished Engineer
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Doug Schaefer <DSchaefer@xxxxxxx>
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06/15/2007 07:58 AM

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RE: [] Agenda: Planning Council        face-        to-face June 20-21


+1. I think it worked great last year and helped us unite the team behind one date.
Doug Schaefer, QNX Software Systems
Eclipse CDT Project Lead,


From: [] On Behalf Of David M Williams
Friday, June 15, 2007 2:31 AM
Re: [] Agenda: Planning Council face-to-face June 20-21


Have we settled on Europa Simultaneous Maintenance releases?
I think we conceded to stick with 'Fall' and 'Winter' :)
but have we set dates? Perhaps that should be on the agenda?

Last year it was September 29, 2006 and February 16 , 2007.

I've been assuming something similar, but we should make concrete soon,
for others to plan around.


Bjorn Freeman-Benson <bjorn.freeman-benson@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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06/09/2007 02:34 PM


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[] Agenda: Planning Council        face-to-face June 20-21





Planning Council members,
As you are all aware, the next Planning Council face-to-face meeting is June 20-21 at the Omni Parker House in Boston - a bit more than a week from now. You probably already have your travel plans and hotel rooms, but if you don't and you need assistance with hotel, please contact Anne (emo@xxxxxxxxxxx) or Lynn (lynn@xxxxxxxxxxx).

The discussion will go much better if all of us take the time to make a few notes about each topic of the two main topics:

(#1) Europa retrospective and Ganymede thoughts.

What have we done well with Europa? What can we improve?

  • How can we make Ganymede better than Europa?
  • Should we agree to rules about conformance UI guidelines? About framework integration at the UI or API levels?
  • How do we guarantee early adoption of intermediate milestones of between projects rather than waiting for last minute integration testing?
  • How do we ensure API cleanliness (i.e. not relying on other project's internals)?
  • Concerns about the Eclipse Top-Level Project splitting streams (3.x vs. 4.0)?
  • Performance and scalability. Is there consensus ? Actions to improve ? Measurements ?

(#2) Eclipse IP Policy Improvements.
Due to our plenary with the Board, we have the golden opportunity to explain to the Board how the current IP policy is hampering the project's collective ability to do timely, good work. I'd like us to concentrate on two things:

  • Specific situations that caused you and your project pain / hampered development during Europa (e.g., Ant 1.7 and the STP project's need for external third-party libraries). General statements like "it's too hard" are less useful than specifics, so please take the opportunity to poll the committers on your project and get as much detail as you can.
  • Specific suggestions that you all have for improving the IP policy and process - starting from the fact that we're always going to have an IP policy, how can we make it better? Better documentation? Examples? Tools? Relaxed constraints in certain situations?

(#3) Other.
Of course, if there are other things we should be discussing during the face-to-face, please let me know.


Wednesday, June 20th:
7:30am – 8:30am Continental "breakfast" and email reading
8:30am – 5:00pm Council Meeting w/ email breaks
7:00pm – 10:00pm Board & Council group dinner

Thursday, June 21st:
7:00am – 8:00am Continental "breakfast"
8:00am – 12:00pm Plenary session w/ Board
12:00pm – 1:00pm Lunch

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