I think it is 9am pdt
starting this meeting.
wenfeng
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Wagner
Sent: Wed 4/12/2006 8:24 AM
To:
eclipse.org-planning-council
Subject: RE:
[eclipse.org-planning-council] Callisto RC1 conference
call12-Apr(today)
Did I get the day/time
wrong? It’s 8:15am PDT on April 12th, which is what it says on http://www.eclipse.org/projects/callisto.php,
but I don’t hear anyone else on the call.
In lieu of a call, my
answers via email:
- RC0 status from each project.
WTP is on track. Some bugs have
been noted in our validators, but that won’t preclude us being ready and
testable as part of Callisto.
- Update
Site. Yes, and my understanding is that
we are using the staging site as intended.
- RC1.
Yes and no; yes in the sense that
WTP doesn’t have a separate RC1 production/rampdown timeframe; no in the sense
that we cannot pick up the RC1 release from the platform the same day it is
produced, and will have to absorb it later, in preparation for RC2. That’s
probably a flaw in our Callisto RC planning.
- RC2 status from each project.
This is an excellent question.
W.r.t. rampdown policies, WTP is shifting into bug fix/rampdown mode (no new
features, no major implementation changes, focus on bug fixing, etc.) on 4/28.
However, we do need internal alignment with the platform or risk being “one
off” as we are for RC0/RC1 right now. Can the platform rampdown a few days
early?
- Ramp Down Policy from each
project. See http://www.eclipse.org/projects/callisto.php
for WTP’s policies.
- Bug Contest.
WTP has received only one entry to
date, and the WTP PMC voted to declare it “good” and I emailed it to Ward
& Bjorn yesterday. As to why more people aren’t participating…I suspect
that on the project teams, everyone is at/above 100% working on their “own
stuff” and have no additional bandwidth, and outside the project teams the
contest/Callisto/milestone releases are not well enough known. Perhaps a link
on the download site for the Eclipse Project itself to the bug contest to
catch folks who normally download milestone from there and don’t know about
Callisto? I’ve advertised inside my company (not to much effect)
FWIW.
Finally, a word on
testing in the context of Callisto: Sadly, not much progress to report, other
than some anecdotal work by a few people who’ve tried it. I’m hoping that once
we get to the rampdown we can institute the approach for WTP that we talked
about on these calls: alternating (by person or time period) between testing WTP
standalone vs in the context of Callisto. This remains the single biggest risk
factor in my mind, and changing behavior/culture to include the idea of testing
within the context of a new release vehicle is proving to be a
challenge.
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[mailto:eclipse.org-planning-council-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bjorn
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Sent: Tuesday,
April 11, 2006 11:53 PM
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Subject: [eclipse.org-planning-council]
Callisto RC1 conference call 12-Apr(today)
613.287.8000
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passcode
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(Ward will be hosting the call as
Bjorn is traveling.)
- RC0 status from each project.
According to our schedule
Platform, CDT, DTP, EMF, GEF, and VE have completed their RC0 and BIRT, GMF,
TPTP, and WTP should complete their RC0 this Friday. What is the status of
these RC0s? Will we have a final Callisto RC0 on Friday?
- Update
Site. Will we have an RC0 update site
on Friday? Are all the projects sending their update site information to
David? How are we handling the "RC0 is in the midst of being released one step
at a time while M5 is the milestone on the update site" - are we using our
staging update site?
- RC1.
According to our schedule, RC1 is
also this Friday. Thus the RC0 and RC1 are, for everyone except the Platform,
the same event. Does everyone agree?
- RC2 status from each project.
According to our schedule, RC2 is
in two and a half weeks. What ramp down policies are the projects applying for
RC2? How many days delay is each project using for RC2? When will the Platform
go to RC2? After that, when will CDT, DTP, ..., etc have their RC2s? And when
will BIRT, GMF, TPTP, and WTP have their RC2s? Will this all happen by
28-April?
- Ramp Down Policy from each
project. What ramp down policy is each
project applying? How many sign-offs are required to release a change? What
notifications are sent for each change and to whom? Etc.
- Bug Contest.
The bug contest has very few (I
think two legitimate) entrants. Does anybody have an idea why? Bugs but no
good ones? No bugs being entered?
We're coming into the end game now
which means that we need to ramp up communication and coordination. I think the
goal for this call should be to come away with a concrete plan from each project
for the end games and the coordination and the tightening build schedule and to
make sure that we have the update site working.
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