I think it is not changing rules, as I pointed that out as well for the first round. Back then I said, that people should raise their hand if they had to review their own talk
Regarding the modeling stuff. I agree with you there in theory. OTOH I think the others in the program committee should be able to judge the talk as well (maybe not the full spectrum) If there are problems with specific talks, we can reconsider them, as we currently do with cdo 3d. For this we have our regular calls where we can discuss issues like that. Here a PC member can explain why he thinks that the talk is important for the program. If we end up with a program where it is noticeable that somebody from company X was in the PC because most of their talks were accepted (and believe me, people will notice!) this will shed a bad light on the whole PC as well as the conference. (This is why I did not vote on the itemis talks...) Anyway. In the end I hope that we are all professional enough to not judge a talk better if it is coming from our own company.
I totally agree with the principle in theory, but I have two
concerns in our case :
Changing rules between rounds. I don't think it's fair to
change rules between rounds. Why did we not apply this rule at
the first round ?
Relevance of votes for Modeling track. I am modeling expert,
and I think my point of view on a modeling submission is well
advised. But as I am working in modeling specialized company,
majority of talks submitted by my colleagues are in this domain.
This rule leads me to not review talks on which my vote will be
the most relevant.
To explain my fears, following are 3 submissions we did not
select in the first round, but that from my modeling point of
view should definitively have been in the final program :
I respect your opinions and decisions to not select
them, and I am not trying to include them again.
So again I will accept the decision about this rule, and I
understand its reason, I just fear that with the way we proceed we
will not have the best talks/content for each track.
Cheers,
Mariot
Le 06/09/2011 10:25, Simon Kaufmann a écrit :
+1
Didn't vote for mine anyway. Apart from that, I now also
removed my votes on colleagues of mine (at least all I could
figure out - I hope I didn't miss anyone...). Although my votes
were pretty close to the averages, I fully support the fairness
aspect of it.
I remember from the first call that Bernd
mentioned something along the lines that he
expects people to not vote for their own
talks. That was in the first round where we
were able to avoid these conflicts.
Now in the second round, we were supposed
to give points for each talk. My personal
understanding is that you should leave a
voting cell just empty (not "0" and not "1")
if its either your own talk or a talk from
your collegue. Not sure if everyone agrees
here ?? If everyone does then there are still
some votes that need to be "cleaned" up in
that sense. Good content will make its way
into the program even if we have only 5 votes
for a cerain row.
just my 2 cents here……
christian
Am 05.09.2011 um 17:32 schrieb Campo,
Christian:
I think every speaker
should leave voting column for their own
talks empty right ?
So please keep that in
mind (I saw a few "1" votes where
people voted for themselves)
christian
Am 05.09.2011 um 14:09
schrieb Campo, Christian:
me tooo
Am 05.09.2011 um
09:08 schrieb Alexander
Neumann:
Hi,
I will do the reviews
this afternoon.
Best,
Alexander
Am 05.09.2011 09:07,
schrieb Ralph Mueller:
Hallo
Bernd -
ich werde mich
in dieser Runde
nicht beteiligen.
Grund: Es
sollte ab hier das
unabhängige
Programm Kommittee
tagen, ohne die
Eclipse
Foundation.