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RE: [eclipse.org-eclipsecon-program-committee] Long Talk and Panel final roundup
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I think you can close this - someone from Palamida will be on
http://eclipsezilla.eclipsecon.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3917
...which is pretty similar, so I think this is OK - please reference 3917
when you close it.
- Don
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Behalf Of Philippe P Mulet
Sent: January 19, 2007 12:24 PM
To: Richard Gronback
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Subject: Re: [eclipse.org-eclipsecon-program-committee] Long Talk and Panel
final roundup
About: http://eclipsezilla.eclipsecon.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3862. Shall I
close it, or is it still interesting in a different track ?
As observed already by Doug, it is in the wrong track.
__________________
Yes, sorry for the delay. The plan is to accept:
http://eclipsezilla.eclipsecon.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3885
If the participation is not closed, I think we should even get someone from
Junit to participate. Erich Gamma maybe ? I made an opening to him.
Richard Gronback
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Hi Philippe,
Are you planning to accept a panel for the Java track? I'd really like to
wrap up the panels and scheduling.
Thanks,
Rich
On 1/16/07 3:22 AM, "Philippe P Mulet" <philippe_mulet@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Agreed, though I think given the words from Tim Ellison, it feels more an
> OSGi talk than a Java talk. But let's not be religious about tracks.
>
> "The goal would be to focus on the runtime modularity. We have an OSGi
> manager, that is embedded in the VM, to support creating multiple
bootstrap
> classloaders for bundles comprising the JRE itself. The code is nearly
> working, so the abstract has to have wiggle room to show as much of a
demo
> as I can by the date of the conference. Should be a nice interlock with
the
> OSGi folks that will be present."
>
> Could also be a good demo maybe...
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> IMHO the Harmony talk can go in either Java or OSGi. Modularity in Java
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> of increasing importance with at least 4 JSRs active in the area
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> 2 related to OSGi technologies. In the end I personally feel it is an
> important topic to have but well, I'm biased and there are lots of
> important topics. I'm sure that neither the presenter or the audience
will
> particuarly care which track it falls in. :-) Perhaps we should have a
> global list of pending talks so we can better allocate any newly
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> Ok, I am now done with the Java track (at last).
> I accepted
> [3812] Java 5.0: A developer experience
> [3650] The Fine Art of Reverse Engineering
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> Declined all but:
> [3825] Threads, java.util.concurrent and Eclipse Jobs: problems and
> solutions
> [3768] Apache Harmony: Developing the Java platform with Eclipse
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> These 2 are on the waiting list, in case extra slots are allocated.
> Now, the later [3768] should probably be migrated in the OSGi track,
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> on the information below from Tim Ellison. Can someone from the OSGi
track
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> Actually, I checked last year's program, and there was already a long
talk
> on Harmony. Discussing with author (Tim Ellison), it appears that many
> things have evolved in Harmony, and the presentation would actually focus
> more on focus on the runtime modularity. They have an OSGi manager, that
is
> embedded in the VM, to support creating multiple bootstrap classloaders
for
> bundles comprising the JRE itself.
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> Thus I think for user experience slot, I'd rather accept the
> [3812] Java 5.0: A developer experience
>
> from EMF lead (Ed Merks).
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> I suspect the Harmony talk would provide more value in the OSGi track, if
> some more room is made there (as Richard mentionned in previous note).
>
> So this would mean accepting:
>> [3812] Java 5.0: A developer experience
>> [3650] The Fine Art of Reverse Engineering
>
> And keeping on the waiting list (the good 5th):
>> [3825] Threads, java.util.concurrent and Eclipse Jobs: problems and
> solutions
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> This sounds good to me, Philippe. I'd leave the one you'd consider a
good
> 5th unresolved for now, as we'll likely have room after we finish panels
> and
> see how short talks turn out (110 slots with 45 submissions so far and 4
> days to go).
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> Thanks,
> Rich
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> On 1/11/07 9:41 AM, "Philippe P Mulet" <philippe_mulet@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>> For the Java track, I think the suggested choices are not optimal, since
> we
>> would end up with no talk about user experience.
>> Ideally, I think the distribution of Java presentations should look
like.
>>
>> 1. one talk on Java in general
>> 2. one talk on JDT
>> 3. one talk on user experience with Eclipse Java tools
>> 4. one talk on other topic (tooling or dev practices)
>>
>> We have already accepted submissions for (1) and (2) (see below with
>> '====>' prefix).
>>
>> 1. one talk on Java in general
>> =======>[3727] Java 7 Language Features
>> [3825] Threads, java.util.concurrent and Eclipse Jobs: problems
and
>> solutions
>> 2. one talk on Eclipse JDT
>> =======>[3786] Unleash the Power of Refactorings in your Products!
>> 3. one talk on user experience
>> [3768] Apache Harmony: Developing the Java platform with Eclipse
>> [3812] Java 5.0: A developer experience
>> [3888] Story from the Trenches: Migrating from C++ to Eclipse
>> 4. one talk on tooling topic or dev practices
>> [3650] The Fine Art of Reverse Engineering
>> [3723] Runtime monitoring and adaptation of applications from
> Eclipse
>>
>> To me, it looks that we should pick one talk for (3) and one for (4).
>> My personal inclination would be respectively: [3768] and [3650].
>> 3768 - because Harmony is an interesting exercize which brings together
>> Eclipse JDT and OSGi bundles.
>> 3650 - not quite sure it is in the right track, but it has the most
> votes.
>> For 3825, I think it is interesting too, but I suspect it has little to
> do
>> with Eclipse per se, and we already have one submission about Java in
>> general (Java7) which I believe is more important. If we had one more
> slot
>> in Java track, then yes I would agree with this one, since the speaker
is
> a
>> good one.
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>> Any thoughts?
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>> The slot below makes 4 for OSGi, not 3. The sooner we can resolve
Java,
>> OSGi, and RCP tracks the better (tomorrow would be good).
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Rich
>>
>>
>> On 1/7/07 8:39 PM, "Jeff McAffer" <Jeff_McAffer@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Rich wrote on 01/07/2007 04:41:43 PM:
>>
>>> As we¹re already past our deadline and soon need to start reviewing
>>
>>> short talks and demos, I plan to do the following in order to
>> finish
>>> up our long talk & panel selections and schedule rooms (speak now
>> if
>>> you object, or better, resolve your tracks asap :)
>>>
>>> Panels:
>>
>>> 1. Reclaim the panel slots from C++, Reporting, RCP, and Tools, as
>>> they have no submissions.
>>
>> In RCP we are still trying to come up with a panel that touches on
>> aspects of the talks that could not be accepted.
>>
>>> 2. Allocate one to Fundamentals and accept both of its submissions
>> -
>>> 3757: What sucks about Eclipse (2 PC votes, 1 community vote) &
>>> 3891: How we learned to stop worrying and love Eclipse UA (1 PC
>>> vote, 16 community votes)
>>> 3. Accept OSGi panel 3900: What does the future hold for OSGi? (2
>> PC
>>> votes, 4 community votes)
>>
>> I believe that Peter has been working on creating an OSGi panel
> from
>> some rejected talks...
>>
>>> 4. Accept Web panel 3747: What does Eclipse need to do to become
>> the
>>> IDE for AJAX?
>>> 5. Decline the rest. This gives us 10 panels overall, and frees up
>>
>>> some space we may need on Thursday due to a potential room
>> conflict.
>>>
>>> Long Talks:
>>
>>> 1. In the Java track, accept 3650: The fine art of reverse
>>> engineering (3 PC votes, 1 community vote) & 3825: Threads, java.
>>> util.concurrent and Eclipse Jobs: problems andsolutions (1 PC
>> vote,
>>> 2 community votes).
>>> 2. In the OSGi track, accept 3705: Using OSGi back-end system for
>>> the purpose of enterprise management of Eclipse IDEs
>>
>> It would be great if we could rustle up an additional slot for
> OSGi.
>> There is lots of stuff to talk about and currently only 3 slots
>> including the extra one mentioned here.
>>
>>> 3. In the RCP track, accept 3628: Rich client platforms: Eclipse
>> RCP
>>> compared with NetBeans Platform (2 PC votes, 13 community votes);
>>> 3816: How to make your RCP application NOT look like Eclipse (1 PC
>>> vote, 4 community votes)
>>
>> The RCP track subcommittee is still reviewing and debating. We'll
>> resolve in the next couple days.
>>
>>> 4. In the SOA track, accept 3882: STP Components (2 PC votes);
>> 3887:
>>> From modeling to execution in the enterprise using BPMN and BPEL
>>> (2 PC votes)
>>> 5. In the Web track, accept 3869: XML Development Tools in Eclipse
>>> WTP and beyond (1 PC vote, 1 community vote)
>>> 6. Decline the rest. This gives us 67 with another one (or two)
>>> coming to Mike¹s Director¹s Choice track
>>
>> Jeff
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