Re: [eclipse.org-architecture-council] Minutes from Thursday's call are

[Ed Merks <merks@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Bjorn,

Unfortunately the last meeting coincided with a meeting I had to discuss
dangerous misconception that parts are simply free:

   http://ed-merks.blogspot.com/2008/01/manufacturing-pofitable-cars-with-free.html

Interestingly that turned out to be closely related to what I see in the
minutes "Architecture for More Patches and Committers".    There are
certainly too many free riders in the community.  And it's not politically
correct to refer to them as leeches.  Obviously that's a bit of a joke,
since the testing and feedback provided by users has significant value.
But there's an element of truth in there as well.  Folks who need direct
help and who want more features for free, are a bit of drain (though again,
a form of valuable feedback as well).

With regard to more patches and more committers, I think both will only
come with encouragement, openness, and commitment from the development
groups to engage their users.  It's a tireless and often thankless task to
answer all your newsgroup questions, but it's one of the best ways to
demonstrate to the community that they have value:

   http://ed-merks.blogspot.com/2008/01/would-you-like-fries-with-that-sir.html

Keep in mind that most likely, folks will only get involved for self
serving reasons, so we need to try to think of ways to harness selfish
motivation.  Everyone has an ego and status is most certainly a motivation.
Being an expert at something can also be profitable...

In my opinion, the best way to get started down this path is to encourage
all projects to include information about how to set up a development
environment for their project:

   http://wiki.eclipse.org/EMF/Getting_Source

I had no trouble getting RAP set up (because I know the steps and the
structure was obvious to me) but I have no idea how the eRCP stuff is
supposed to work in a development environment so I had to give up on that.
So for RAP I can and did provide patches, but for eRCP, it won't be easy.

Unfortunately (well actually not), the next meeting will coincide with my
vacation, so I'll miss that too.


Ed Merks/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA
mailto: merks@xxxxxxxxxx
905-413-3265  (t/l 313)




                                                                           
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