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Re: [eclipse-pmc] [cross-project-issues-dev] Move JDT to Java 11

This has been the message I push around for years which unfortunately was taken as there is a bunch of people with fetish for removal of options when reality is as simple as:
Current manpower doesn't allow maintaining so many options for everything (not just JDT) and with every new version of (JDK, GTK, Maven, Webkit, Edge, Windows, MacOS, name yours) the number of combinations grow exponentially . It really doesn't matter what people want to be supported but what can ACTUALLY be supported. For most projects we have been effectively forced to support latest version of a dependency/tool only as there are simply that many hours in the day.
IMHO it's high time to make it clear that either people jump in to help with maintenance MASSIVELY(!!!) or such decisions will be enforced on us unless we go into "lying mode" aka claim we support given range but realistically looking only at the latest version but still losing time to finding your way through the spaghetti we got thanks for all that, losing hope things will ever improve and losing credibility in front of users with false claims.
This kind of questions popping up make me believe that it's time for a general statement like "Latest version only supported" and having broader range being the exception not the norm.

On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 4:31 PM Andrey Loskutov <loskutov@xxxxxx> wrote:
Hi all,

sorry for cross-posting, but I would like to take your attention to JDT specific topic that may affect some downstream JDT consumers.

*** Request to move JDT to Java 11 ***

1) I request that JDT stops supporting compilation of JDT code on Java 8 and execution of JDT code on Java 8, for the 4.21 release, and switches to compile JDT project code against Java 11 libraries.
2) If this request would be agreed / approved, I would like to add an item to the 4.21 release plan [1] that Eclipse Compiler for Java (ecj) can only be used on Java 11+ runtime environment.

*** Reason for this request ***

JDT team is a very small team, overloaded since a very long time with support of various Java releases in compiler.
This team can't afford to support running ecj on Java 8 AND on Java 11 AND on Java 16 AND on Java 17+ etc.
The code complexity and the issues we see in JDT are overwhelming and constantly growing.
With every Java release more and more features need to be added to the code base, and the maintenance burden is becoming bigger, not smaller!

To simplify maintainers life and save time for proper Eclipse Java compiler support we should declare end of "run on Java 8" support in JDT code.
To be honest: since we are not testing ecj on Java 8 since long time, no one can guarantee that any recent ecj version can run on Java 8 anyway.

*** Important note ***

This request doesn't mean JDT would not support compilation of programs with Java 8 target! 
We still support compilation targets from Java 1.3 to the latest Java release.

This request is only about JDT own project code that will be compiled with Java 11 target. Moving JDT to Java 11 would also open a door for possible contributions that could use API's only available since Java 9+, but that's not the main driver here.

Please note, that Eclipse platform (IDE/RCP) as a whole does not support compilation/execution on Java 8 since 4.17 release (2020-09) and we do not run any tests on Java 8 that would guarantee Java 8 compliance.

There is a discussion on bug 572389 [2], which is not a new one. Most of the Platform projects are already moved to compile against Java 11, only some parts of JDT related to the standalone compiler are still (theoretically) compatible to Java 8, the IDE part of JDT has dependencies to libraries / bundles that only support Java 11+.

*** What downstream consumers could do after move ***

If JDT code base is moved to Java 11, downstream consumers can do following:

1) Use previously released JDT / ecj versions.
2) Run the build/application using JDT on Java 11+.
3) Clone JDT code and build / maintain own fork, compatible to Java 8.
4) Contribute to JDT.

*** Action item for PMC / JDT team ***

Please, can we make a decision & have an agreement to drop "run on Java 8" support for 4.21, and move JDT code to Java 11?
*If* not 4.21, can we please make a decision & have an agreement to drop "run on Java 8" support in JDT for some *concrete* platform version?


Before someone would write an answer asking JDT project to continue "run on Java 8" support - please provide a *concrete* proposal, how *you* or your organisation could contribute to JDT, because nobody else is there that would have time to do that.


Kind regards,
Andrey Loskutov

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