Re: [eclipse-dev] eclipse sdk v5 ❤

[Stephan Herrmann <stephan.herrmann@xxxxxxxxx>]

Am 01.06.26 um 09:20 schrieb GIREESH PUNATHIL:
> Stephan: i think, the silence may not mean "we don't want this conversation." it 
> might also mean "we don't think our voice matters here." otherwise, 

sure, many interpretations are possible.

> how do we 
> explain your own question earlier in this thread: "does anybody still need us?"? 

I wrote: "Second, at some point when AI is fully integrated, does anybody still 
need the classical IDE features? Now? In 5 years? (Read: does anybody still need 
*us*?)"

With my parenthesis I alluded to the possibility that AI will eat the jobs of 
traditional tool smiths. In that scenario there might no longer exist anything 
like JDT - because it's no longer needed. Along that train of thought, one 
option for the Eclipse IDE could also turn out to be: "one of the last IDEs 
powered by human intelligence". I see beauty in that :)

Let me add one remark regarding performance: I don't know why people get so 
excited about Eclipse startup time. How often do people start Eclipse. Every 5 
minutes? Once an hour, a day, a week? A few seconds every week certainly doesn't 
motivate a big architectural overhaul. Or is it just for the feeling to show: 
"I'm so light weight!!!"?

This doesn't mean I don't see performance problems, but in my day-to-day work 
90% of those problems relate to workspace builds, e.g., when multiple builders 
are involved, e.g., when one of them takes *minutes* to complete what should be 
an incremental build, e.g., when a build at Eclipse startup (yes) takes minutes 
(although nothing changed since the last build) etc.

Compared to these issues, squeezing a few seconds from startup time to me sounds 
like painting the bike shed.

best,
Stephan