Re: [eclipse-dev] eclipse sdk v5 ❤️

[Lars Vogel <lars.vogel@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

> - ship a revamped platform-neutral implementation of SWT (gpu accelerated, with some updated look & feel)

AFAIK some prototypes are already in work for having an alternative
SWT implementation, see https://github.com/swt-initiative31

Best regards, Lars

On Tue, Oct 15, 2024 at 3:01 PM Mickael Istria via eclipse-dev
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> On Tue, Oct 15, 2024 at 2:19 PM Martin Lippert via eclipse-dev <eclipse-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>> Hey!
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> Hi,
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> I don't think that any of those suggestions requires a v5 and most of them are already in progress with a v4. But what's a v5 anyway, beyond just marketing? A v5 shouldn't be interpreted as a must-have for innovation, innovation can and already happens with v4.x.
> The reason why I tell this is because the move from eclipse 3.x to 4.x wasn't an obvious success, it had a lot of quirks, technically, organizationally; affecting negatively most users and a good part of the community. The reason was that the 4.x was targetting too many changes in a short time, with deadlines for releases, putting pressure on the developers and adopters... I don't want that history to repeat and want to encourage safer continuous innovation as we're doing now over risky "breaking innovation".
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>> I have a few things in mind for this.
>> - ship the Java tooling inside the SDK on top of JDT.LS (move towards LSP-based tooling)
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> JDT-LS integration for Eclipse IDE already exists at https://github.com/redhat-developer/eclipseide-jdtls. It's currently not actively maintained, but getting back to work wouldn't be hard. Once this is in, the whether to ship JDT-UI or JDT-LS is a matter of packaging. Note that JDT.LS+LSP4E misses some features and configuration compared to JDT-UI: most of the interesting wizards, configuration pages, debug... are in JDT-UI and JDT.LS cannot help there. I personally believe we cannot do without it.
> JDT.LS + LSP4E can only be used as a substitute for the Java Editor, not much more.
> If some people are interested in continuing this work and prefer it to be an Eclipse project, I'd be happy to facilitate the migration and the involvement of new developers.
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>> - ship JDT on top of the javac parser
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> An up-to-date Javac-capable JDT fork is available at https://github.com/eclipse-jdtls/eclipse-jdt-core-incubator/ . It's still missing some important features, but it's already usable (Jinbo and I will promote it at EclipseCon, and this fork is what is going to be used for upcoming builds of jdt-ls and vscode-java), and there is not so much work left to do.
> Help on improving the quality is welcome, and we'd love to put as much as possible of it in JDT upstream. Some good PRs were already merged, but some still need love: https://github.com/eclipse-jdt/eclipse.jdt.core/pull/2699 , https://github.com/eclipse-jdt/eclipse.jdt.core/pull/2700 , https://github.com/eclipse-jdt/eclipse.jdt.core/pull/2701 (and a couple more like this to come, to discouple code of JDT-Core from ECJ); and in another series https://github.com/eclipse-jdt/eclipse.jdt.core/pull/3020 (and maybe other of that kind) to discouple planning/organization of JDT-Core development from ECJ). Most of those PRs are ready for reviews, so anyone willing to see progress here can help towards getting them merged.
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>> - ship a revamped platform-neutral implementation of SWT (gpu accelerated, with some updated look & feel)
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> I do love my Platform-specific implementation without Eclipse theming on, and with theming coming from GTK/Gnome instead :P
> I won't do anything against a new implementation of SWT, but I am personally very skeptical of the return on investement here. It can easily be something extremely expensive which in the end isn't better in term of usage or maintenance than a good old platform-specific implementation.
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> Cheers,
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> Mickael Istria
> Eclipse IDE developer, for Red Hat
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