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Re: [e4-dev] Sandbox for Eclipse proposal as E4 sub-project
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Hi Wim,
I think I have something you are looking for. In e(fx)clipse we've
worked on a basic code-editing framework and took extra care to seperate
ui-specific from ui-agnostic stuff.
Before RedHat started with their generic textmate and LSP support I
created an SWT-Sample for Max Andersen [1] to show that what we have in
e(fx)clipse can be used in SWT as well.
In contrast to (Mickael please correct me) the TextMate and LSP stuff
I've implemented my stuff on pure e4 technologies (I don't even need
core.resources although for the sample) so it is as lightweight as possible.
If I got Carstens idea correct, they don't want to build a real tool,
they want to build a testbed to try out ideas to improve the Eclipse IDE.
Tom
[1]https://github.com/BestSolution-at/code-swt
On 06.07.17 01:20, Wim Jongman wrote:
> Hi again,
>
> I have downloaded your starting point from your github site and tried
> it. This editor is still 67MB and it takes about ten seconds to start.
> There is still a lot of stuff in your sandbox that the "new" editors
> don't have. For example the build in help should go (all other editors
> just open a webpage.)
>
> I think that the sandbox eclipse you are thinking of should throw even
> more away and start with only the basics. I have played with your
> concept a little bit and made an alternative sandbox here [1] (pure e4).
> This is a basic text editor with /really/ the *minimal* eclipse
> components. It is 25 MB and it starts in 3 seconds. comparable to Code
> and Brackets. (SublimeText is split second, unbelievable.)
>
> The question is: Who wants a basic text editor? Everybody wants an
> Eclipse that performs well, has a million features and a great UX. Take
> *notepad++ for example*. I stopped using it because of its crappy
> extensions that often crash the product. This will also be the future of
> Brackets and Code unless they can find a way to maintain quality in
> their extensions??
>
> Maybe what should happen in this "sandbox eclipse" is an extension
> framework that provides much better guarantee against corruption of the
> UX. IntelliJ is a private club. Not everyone can get in. This leads to
> fewer extensions but higher quality. I mean *core Eclipse* rocks hard.
> It is the half-finished extensions that depresses people. Hopefully the
> new language server framework will live up to its promise and maybe
> there should be a Marketplace that only contains high quality plugins.
>
> Just some thoughts on your initiative.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Wim
>
>
> [1] https://github.com/E4Examples/sandbox
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 6:53 PM, Wim Jongman <wim.jongman@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:wim.jongman@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>
> +1 Sounds great.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Wim
>
> On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 3:50 PM, Carsten Reckord <reckord@xxxxxxxx
> <mailto:reckord@xxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> A few weeks back, Yatta launched a new experiment called
> "Sandbox for Eclipse" on GitHub[1]. We would like to contribute
> this project to the Eclipse Foundation and continue it there.
> We've discussed the project from early on with Lars. He
> suggested to make it a part of the e4 project, since it mostly
> touches on core Eclipse IDE aspects, and the incubator would
> give us the necessary flexibility for its further development.
>
> You can read more about the idea behind Sandbox for Eclipse at
> [2]. Essentially, we stripped down the Eclipse IDE to the barest
> minimal text editor, with the goal to build a lean code editor
> product from the ground up, focusing strongly on good UX and
> using (mostly) existing Eclipse technology. Our plan is to
> extend this Sandbox Eclipse step by step, driven by user
> feedback as well as analysis of popular light-weight editors
> like Atom, Notepad++ or vs.code. Every change is to be driven
> by centering on the best possible user experience, and the
> intention of the project is to be able to roll out UX concepts
> and experiments and get feedback quickly.
>
> We expect a lot of the work on this project to come in the form
> of configuration, assembly, and of course product management.
> Code contributions will most likely be mostly for other Eclipse
> projects to fill in gaps, solve UX issues or improve integration.
>
> Of course we also want to ship a useful product/package to
> end-users. Right now, the - quite limited - text editor on
> GitHub is just a starting point that's mostly of interest for
> potential contributors, but over time, this should develop into
> an actual useful, lean editor in the vein of Atom or Notepad++
> (actually, that's a quite crucial part in order to elicit good
> feedback from end-users).
>
> What do you think? Would the E4 incubator make a good home for this?
>
> Best,
> Carsten
>
> -
> [1] https://github.com/YattaSolutions/eclipse-sandbox
> <https://github.com/YattaSolutions/eclipse-sandbox>
> [2]
> https://medium.com/@YattaSolutions/introducing-the-eclipse-sandbox-15053bd01421
> <https://medium.com/@YattaSolutions/introducing-the-eclipse-sandbox-15053bd01421>
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