Re: [e4-dev] Orion CSS preference editor

[John Arthorne <John_Arthorne@xxxxxxxxxx>]

This is sort of off topic, but I am wondering
about the interest in IE8. From the latest statistics, we know IE8 is used
by about 8% of the global web browsing population. Among the population
of developers needing a browser-based source editor, the user base is even
smaller. For example less that 1% of visitors to planetorion.org are using
IE8 (in fact only 4% are using any form of IE). You have to balance how
much effort is it worth to support that population, and how much does this
add extra bloat that will hurt the experience of the large majority using
a modern browser. From my perspective, for a developer audience, adequate
IE8 support is a dialog box telling you to download a real browser. There
is an excellent talk from Alex Russell on this topic for anyone wanting
to read more eloquent arguments about it [2].

Having said that, if IE8 support is
really important to you, and there are simple fixes to enable the Orion
editor to function there without hurting other platforms, I'm sure the
Orion editor guys will consider it.

[1] http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser_version-ww-monthly-201208-201308
[2] http://fronteers.nl/congres/2012/sessions/the-web-platform-and-the-process-of-progress-alex-russell





From:      
 Angelo zerr <angelo.zerr@xxxxxxxxx>
To:      
 E4 Project developer
mailing list <e4-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>, 
Date:      
 09/10/2013 04:23 AM
Subject:    
   Re: [e4-dev]
Orion CSS preference editor
Sent by:    
   e4-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx

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Hi Mike,

I have attached a simple html with orion at https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=410841#c7 and
explained my fixes to work with IE8. But there are problem again (see my
comments).

It should be very cool if Orion team could help us to
support IE8. After that I could start something like CodeMirror-Eclipse
if you wish.

Thank's for your help.

Regards Angelo


2013/9/9 Angelo zerr <angelo.zerr@xxxxxxxxx>
Hi Mike,

Ok I think if E4 wants to provide a CSS editor with Orion,
it should provide a generic SWT OrionControl like I have done with CMControl.
The big advantage to do that is that this SWT control
can be used anywhere (like you have used, in a 3.x ViewPart, in a e4 Pojo
Editor in a simple View to display just CSS content with syntax color,
etc)

With OrionControl you can set the mode (css, _javascript_,
etc). 

If you want I can create this project for the moment in
my GitHub to see in action my idea?

But the first thing is to fix problems with IE. I will
investigate problems (I think with some polyfill _javascript_ functions
it will fix some problems, but I'm afraid it will not enough because it
seems that Orion doesn't support IE8 (according my tests)).

It should be really cool, if Orion team could help us
with this topic (use Orion editor with IE8).

Many thank's

Regards Angelo


2013/9/9 Mike Wilson <Mike_Wilson@xxxxxxxxxx>
Angelo,

What I'd really be interested in is seeing you do the equivalent of CodeMirror-Eclipse
using the Orion editor. If there are things in Orion that would make that
difficult, we definitely want to fix them.

McQ.

Angelo
zerr ---2013/09/09 08:10:45---Paul, if you are interested I could do the
same thing that you have done with Orion but with my Code

From: Angelo zerr <angelo.zerr@xxxxxxxxx>
To: E4 Project developer mailing
list <e4-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>,
Date: 2013/09/09 08:10
Subject: Re: [e4-dev] Orion CSS preference
editor
Sent by: e4-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx

---

Paul, if you are interested I could do the same thing that you have done
with Orion but with my CodeMirror Eclipse (it will be easy to do that),
but I'm not sure that E4 wish to use CodeMirror.

Tell me if you are interested.

Regards Angelo


2013/9/9 Angelo zerr <angelo.zerr@xxxxxxxxx>

Hi Paul,

I have tried to play with your CSS Editor but it doesn't works for me.
The browser displays the content of the CSS but syntax coloring + completion
doesn't work. I use Windows and my Browser is IE8.

After debugging your plugin, it seems that Orion code doesn't support IE8
(code uses JSON object, Array#forEach  which is not supported by IE8).
For your information I have done the similiar thing with https://github.com/angelozerr/CodeMirror-Eclipse It
embedds CodeMirror with SWT Browser and it works with RAP too 

You can find online demo at http://cmeclipse-2.opensagres.eu.cloudbees.net/codemirror You
will find a CSS Editor which manages completion, folding, validation, matching
bracket, close bracket, etc.
It works with IE because CodeMirror supports IE. You can change the theme
of the CSS editor with Windows/Preferences -> CSS/Theme
CodeMirror Eclipse provides too a preference page to select your browser
(Mozilla, WebKit).


Here conclusion about my little experience with SWT Browser/ HTML editor
: 

1) the JS editor used should support IE (CodeMirror supports IE).
2) <meta http-equiv="X-UA-Compatible" content="IE=edge"
/> should be included in the HTML page
3) avoid using IE, it's better (IE is slow). For instance, CodeMirror Eclipse
provides a preference page to select Web Browser (Mozzila, WebKit).
4) editor JS must manage fullScreen mode. CodeMirror supports fullScreen
so you have not the impressions that a browser is used.

For CSS features, I think validation and completion (as you have managed)
is important. After that if you can add some cool feature like folding,
comments, format, matching bracket,ntext hover it should be better.

Hope my post will help you.

Regards Angelo


2013/9/8 Wim Jongman <wim.jongman@xxxxxxxxx>

Never mind, I found the bug: https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=410841


On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 10:28 PM, Wim Jongman <wim.jongman@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote: 
Hi Paul,

I have installed it. Do you have some but some instructions on how to use
it? What is the bug number?

Regards,

Wim



On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 7:47 PM, Paul Webster <pwebster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote: 
I've released an Orion based CSS preference editor. 
It can be installed from http://download.eclipse.org/e4/updates/0.15-I-builds

"CSS file editor > E4 Orion CSS Preference editor (Incubation)"

It supports the swt-* properties for content assist.  It's a start,
but can definitely use some additions to the content assist/templates. 
It's based on the orion editor 3.0

Please feel free to test it out and provide feedback.

Later,
Paul

-- 
Paul Webster
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