RE: [dsdp-pmc] FW: Please ask PMC for vote on Rodrigo for Committer

[<mika.hoikkala@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hi,

 

Thanks. I won't shoot :-)

 

Waiting one week and follow the process is not a problem and that we shall do.

 

Voting was done in dsdp-mtj-dev.

Shouldn't it go to archive automatically?

Maybe there is some delay... or is there something special we should do ...

 

mho

 

 

 

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From: dsdp-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:dsdp-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of ext Oberhuber, Martin
Sent: 28 September, 2006 11:07
To: DSDP PMC list
Subject: RE: [dsdp-pmc] FW: Please ask PMC for vote on Rodrigo for Committer

Hello Mika,

 

please don't shoot me for being picky.

But I think that if we have rules, we should also follow them. And as a PMC member, I feel obligated to doing things right.

 

The operation of our projects is clearly defined in the

  http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/dsdp-charter.php

which refers to the standard toplevel charter for most issues:

  http://www.eclipse.org/projects/dev_process/Eclipse_Standard_TopLevel_Charter_v1.0.php

 

Therefore:

 

(1) You had only 4 votes for Rodrigo from the active committers.

  But our charter says:

Once a Developer is nominated, the Committers for the Project (or component) will vote for a PMC-designated voting period, and that period shall be no less than one week. If there are at least 3 positive votes and no negative votes within the voting period...

  So officially, you'll have to either wait 1 week if no negative votes come in,

  or you ask the inactive committers (Marius, Jesper, Minna) to also give

  their vote --> voting period can be shortened if all votes are in.

 

I understand this is cumbersome, but that's also the whole point in trying

to get commit right removed from inactive committers (and why Bjorn is

going that route) -- because by not voting, they slow things down.

 

(2) Just a minor issue -- in order to make things publicly trackable,

   you should have posted a summary of the committer proposal vote

   on the dsdp-mtj-dev list, and included a reference to that posting

   into the proposal to the PMC. Looking at the mtj archives, I cannot

   find a vote summary.

   For example, see

   Proposal for Ted on dsdp-tm-dev

      http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/dsdp-tm-dev/msg00455.html

   Summary/Approval E-Mail on dsdp-tm-dev / dsdp-pmc 1 week later

      http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/dsdp-tm-dev/msg00483.html

   Vote summary, referencing proposal

      http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/dsdp-tm-dev/msg00485.html

 

I'm not sure how urgently you need Rodrigo as committer. It is Eclipse Practice to have "just enough process", so if it would be a hinderance for you, I'd vote +1 for Rodrigo in order to avoid unnecessary delays.

However, if it is no hinderance, I'd recommend waiting the 1 week or trying to get votes from the inactive committers, or removing the inactive committers. Mind you, they can still contribute as contributors without commit rights, by sending patches! But being a committer is more than just write access to the code -- it's also about voting and guiding the project.

This may be inappropriate for people like Rauno who should just update a website. But I think that if we want things different, we should change the process officially. At least as long as it doesnt hurt too much - remember the "just enough process" guidance.

Cheers,
--
Martin Oberhuber
Wind River Systems, Inc.
Target Management Project Lead, DSDP PMC Member
http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm

 

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From: dsdp-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:dsdp-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of mika.hoikkala@xxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 8:42 PM
To: dsdp-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [dsdp-pmc] FW: Please ask PMC for vote on Rodrigo for Committer

Hi guys again.

 

I would like you to vote again.

This time we hopefully have predefined things done in a right way.

 

All active MTJ contributors have voted +1.

 

Rodrigo has worked with MTJ from the beginning and has been the other main contributor from IBM side.

He has contributed well and also guys outside current committers have identified that (see Craig Setera's mail below).

 

+1 from Mika.

 

mho

 

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As a non-committer, I would vote +1. Rodrigo has already done a good job of handling the bugs that I've written.

Kevin M Horowitz wrote:

>

> I would like to nominate Rodrigo Pastrana (IBM) as a new committer on

> the MTJ project.

>

> Rodrigo has been working on this project since the beginning of our

> code development and has contributed significantly to our Signing and

> Security code base, as well as providing feedback for the

> documentation and other development areas.

 

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From: ext Kevin M Horowitz [mailto:khorowit@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 27 September, 2006 16:20
To: Hoikkala Mika (Nokia-TP-MSW/Helsinki)
Subject: Please ask PMC for vote on Rodrigo for Committer

Mika,

Can you please pass along a request to the PMC to grant Rodrigo Pastrana committer rights.

The active MTJ committers had the following vote:
4 votes +1 (Kevin, Petri, Arto, and Mika)

Thanks,
kevin
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Kevin Horowitz (khorowit@xxxxxxxxxx)
IBM Software Group - WPLC
8051 Congress Ave.
Boca Raton, Fl 33487
+1-561-862-2113 (t/l 975)