[dataspace-protocol-base-dev] How about following the Eclipse Community

[Detlef Hühnlein (ecsec GmbH) <detlef.huehnlein@xxxxxxxx>]

Good Morning Javier, 

>Which mailing list are you referring to?

Please refer to the list 1) through 7) mentioned below and kindly let me know, if I missed 
some DCP-related mailing list.

>The one indicated in my 2 first emails is open and anyone can subscribe. That is the one used for the spec ballots, precisely for them to be open.

At which publicly available mailing list was there an announcement for 

1) the existence of RC4 of DCP, 

2) any request for comments and a related technical specification review, 

3) any mentioning of a subsequently planned submission as PAS to ISO?

4) any opening of a ballot to approve such a specification review?

5) any transparent casting of votes related to a technical review and its approval?

I walked through a large variety of mailing lists mentioned below, but I was 
unfortunately not able to find anything related to the five points above.  :-(

>The only private mailing list are the ones used to call for meetings or discuss internal committee issues for the Steering and Specification committees. 
>They don’t hold discussions, those are reflected on the minutes. 

Probably yes, but the minutes systematically refer to additional details and attachments, which 
are unfortunately only accessible to members of the Steering and Specification committees. 

Why?

Sorry, but this practice is very questionable, everything else but open and inclusive and hence
certainly not in line with your code of conduct https://www.eclipse.org/org/documents/Community_Code_of_Conduct.php. 

The pledge of the Eclipse Foundation contains very friendly words, like "open" and "inclusive", 
but it seems the practice within EDWG does neither follow the spirit nor the letter of this code. 

Why? 

I am subscribed to the following four publicly accessible mailing lists, which somehow seem 
to be related to the questionable DCP:

1) dataspace-dcp-dev (https://accounts.eclipse.org/mailing-list/dataspace-dcp-dev)
2) dataspace-wg (https://accounts.eclipse.org/mailing-list/dataspace-wg)
3) dataspace-protocol-base-dev (https://accounts.eclipse.org/mailing-list/dataspace-protocol-base-dev) 

4) dataspace-wg-spec (https://accounts.eclipse.org/mailing-list/dataspace-wg-spec)

For some obscure reason it seems that I am not able to subscribe to the  

5) dataspace-dcp-security (https://accounts.eclipse.org/mailing-list/dataspace-dcp-security)

6) dataspace-protocol-base-security (https://accounts.eclipse.org/mailing-list/dataspace-protocol-base-security)
7) dataspace-wg-specification-committee (https://accounts.eclipse.org/mailing-list/dataspace-wg-specification-committee)

Please let me know, if I missed one or more important DCP-related mailing lists and
any potentially convincing arguments, why it is not necessary to follow the 

Code of Conduct of the Eclipse Foundfollow also within the Eclipse Dataspace Working Group. 

Best Regards,

    Detlef

PS: I now need to start my trip to Ghent for the ARES2025 conference in which
I have tomorrow a DCP-related talk (see https://2025.ares-conference.eu/program/edid/ and 
https://tinyurl.com/ARES2025), but I will certainly come back to you and the colleagues
within the EDWG to follow up on this general discussion and the even more important 

technical issues, which in my opinion need to be fixed urgently - before there can be
submitted as PAS to ISO. Please stay tuned - and keep in mind that the Eclipse Foundation 
still has a good repudiation and it is probably not worth to put this at risk for a single 
highly disputable technical specification.

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1) dataspace-dcp-dev (https://accounts.eclipse.org/mailing-list/dataspace-dcp-dev)

The messages for the different release candidates BEFORE RC4 marked yellow below were as follows:
- RC3 (10.04.2025)
- RC2 (27.02.2025)
- RC1 (19.12.2024)

The crucial RC4, which is intended to be shipped to ISO, has not even be announced yet on this mailing list. :-(

2) dataspace-wg (https://accounts.eclipse.org/mailing-list/dataspace-wg)

There does not seem to be any mail related to the planned submission of DSP or DCP to ISO. :-(

3) dataspace-protocol-base-dev (https://accounts.eclipse.org/mailing-list/dataspace-protocol-base-dev) 

The message for DSP RC1 marked in yellow below was on 27.02.2025. 

All further RCs, including the latest RC4 (https://eclipse-dataspace-protocol-base.github.io/DataspaceProtocol/2025-1-RC4/), 

which is most likely intended to be shipped to ISO, has not even be announced yet on this mailing list. :-(

4) dataspace-wg-spec (https://accounts.eclipse.org/mailing-list/dataspace-wg-spec)

I see in the archive of this mailing list, that there have been ballots for the initiation of
specification projects including 

- the initiation of a ballot for the creation of DCP on  21.05.2024 (https://www.eclipse.org/lists/dataspace-wg-spec/msg00012.html) 

- a couple of positive votes on the mailing list and

- the conclusion of the ballot on 30.05.2024 (https://www.eclipse.org/lists/dataspace-wg-spec/msg00021.html)

Unfortunately, I can not see any similar ballot with respect to the start of any 
voting on the approval of any DCP spec on this list, but only the miracuously appearing result
of the ballot https://www.eclipse.org/lists/dataspace-wg-spec/msg00050.html. 
I am pretty sure, that a ballot for "Eclipse Dataspace Decentralized Claims Protocol Release Review", 
which has not even be announced in some way can not formally be approved. Right? 

5) dataspace-dcp-security (https://accounts.eclipse.org/mailing-list/dataspace-dcp-security)

Furthermore I would be very interested in joining https://accounts.eclipse.org/mailing-list/dataspace-dcp-security, 
because I assume that there are important security issues with DCP, which need to be fixed here before PASsing anything
to ISO. Unfortunately it is currently not possible to subscribe. :-( 

Why?

6) dataspace-protocol-base-security (https://accounts.eclipse.org/mailing-list/dataspace-protocol-base-security)

 

The same problem exists with the dataspace-protocol-base-security mailing list. 

Why?

7) dataspace-wg-specification-committee (https://accounts.eclipse.org/mailing-list/dataspace-wg-specification-committee)

It is needless to say, that I would love to be subscribed to the mailing list 
dataspace-wg-specification-committee, as there are serious topics to be discussed - especially around DCP. 
Unfortunately, this is "currently not possible". 

Why?

Am 12.08.2025 um 19:53 schrieb Javier Valiño Llamazares:

Hi Detlef,

Which mailing list are you referring to?

The one indicated in my 2 first emails is open and anyone can subscribe. That is the one used for the spec ballots, precisely for them to be open.

The only private mailing list are the ones used to call for meetings or discuss internal committee issues for the Steering and Specification committees. They don’t hold discussions, those are reflected on the minutes. 

Best regards,

Javier Valiño

DataSpaces Program Manager | Eclipse Foundation Europe GmbH

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El 12 ago 2025, a las 19:43, Detlef Hühnlein <detlef.huehnlein@xxxxxxxx> escribió:



Hallo Javier, 

one more last remark. 

While it may, or may not, be in line with the rules of this very 
specific working group within the Eclipse Foundation to keep out 
contributors from the private dataspace wg mailing list, it is 
certainly not in line with the principle of openness I expected to 
be followed in the Eclipse Foundation. 

Best Regards,

    Detlef 

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