Hi,
I wouldn't call this a fine link or good coverage. The link efers to an Neon infocenter from 2016/2017. So it's completely outdated.
As stated in the bug, the goal is to have the /latest/ links in the Google index and not content from random old versions.
We will try to put redirects in place to avoid confusion and "dead ends".
Regards,
Fred
Just Googled for the Oomph Git setup tasks which resulted in this fine link:
https://help.eclipse.org/neon/topic/org.eclipse.oomph.setup.doc/javadoc/org/eclipse/oomph/setup/git/GitCloneTask.html
Clicking on it, brings me to:
https://www.eclipse.org/documentation/
So currently it looks like we lost our good Google coverage of Eclipse help.
Best regards, Lars
P.S. will also add this to the bug
On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 3:57 PM Jonah Graham <jonah@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Done https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=558301
>
> Probably needs better component, please change component as you see fit.
> ~~~
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> On Fri, 13 Dec 2019 at 09:49, Denis Roy <denis.roy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> Jonah,
>>
>> That's a great point. I think we can do something smart here:
>>
>> When a user hits https://eclipse.org/documentation/ we could examine the referer, and add some text at the top of the page to indicate the user has requested older docs, with a suggested link to the same doc on the latest install.
>>
>> That will help newer docs rank on search engines, help de-list older docs, and still provide service to the user.
>>
>> We should also verify that we are sending a 301 Permanent redirect, not a 302 Temporary one.
>>
>> If you think this makes sense, I think next step is a bug.
>>
>>
>> Denis
>>
>>
>> On 2019-12-13 9:25 a.m., Jonah Graham wrote:
>>
>> Hi Fred,
>>
>> I think it is great to get rid of the old documentation - indeed the other day I did a google search and didn't realize I was looking at an old version of the documentation.
>>
>> That leads me to my issue with removing - and I don't have a solution, just a concern. Googling or duckduckgoing many eclipse topics have help.eclipse.org/kepler in the results (some have neon). What is the effect on SEO of just removing kepler? Will all relevant search results from google just disappear making it harder to find information until google and the like re-rank the results higher?
>>
>> Almost all the results work if kepler is just replaced with 2019-09 (or 2019-12 or latest presumably).
>>
>> I see in the time that I have been writing the email that help.eclipse.org/kepler has disappeared - the effect that it is harder to find the results because the search within infocenter is not as good as google.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Jonah
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ~~~
>> Jonah Graham
>> Kichwa Coders
>> www.kichwacoders.com
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 13 Dec 2019 at 08:22, Frederic Gurr <frederic.gurr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> To further streamline our services and reduce maintenance overhead we
>>> will no longer host info centers at https://help.eclipse.org that are
>>> older than two years (or 8 quarterly releases).
>>>
>>> For older releases people will be advised to run the infocenters locally
>>> by downloading the corresponding Eclipse IDE (Eclipse SDK or EPP
>>> package) from
>>> * https://archive.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/ or
>>> * https://www.eclipse.org/downloads/packages/release/
>>>
>>> How to start or stop information center from command line:
>>> *
>>> https://help.eclipse.org/index.jsp?topic=%2Forg.eclipse.platform.doc.isv%2Fguide%2Fua_help_setup_infocenter.htm
>>>
>>> People trying to access old infocenter URLs will be forwarded to
>>> https://www.eclipse.org/documentation
>>>
>>> Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Fred
>>>
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