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Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Text and / or Icons on Buttons / Toolbar Items
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Thank you for the input.
To make my point clear once again:
I do *NOT* propose to put icons on *any* buttons (like "OK", "Cancel", etc.)
I really talk about buttons that perform actions on a tree or table. Typical action are "Add", "Remove", "Up" and "Down".
And I would like to know if you have a different opinion if that tree or table is on a dialog (like the preference dialog) or in a editor (like plugin xml editor) or an view (like the Interactive Rebase view)?
Regards,
Matthias
On 25.09.19, 17:46, "cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Frederic Gurr" <cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of frederic.gurr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi,
As mentioned, icons are fine in other places, like EGit views (Git
Staging, Rebase Interactive). To a certain degree this is pure
habituation though. If I had never seen icons on the "Commit and
Push..." and "Commit" buttons, I probably wouldn't miss them either.
Regards,
Fred
On 25.09.19 17:20, Becker, Matthias wrote:
> Hi Frederic,
>
> you said you never missed buttong on dialogs. Would you opinion be different for editors of views?
>
> Regards,
> Matthias
>
> On 25.09.19, 12:35, "cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Frederic Gurr" <cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of frederic.gurr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I have never missed icons on buttons in the preferences dialog or
> similar dialogs (e.g. run configurations, etc). For me, they would not
> add any value. Buttons would need to be wider or taller to be able to
> fit in the icons, which would take away valuable screen area in a lot of
> already crowded dialogs.
>
> I did not dig too deep, but I could not find any dialog with buttons
> that have icons (I'm happy to be proven wrong ;) ). So I assume that
> this is the default UI/UX convention for buttons in dialogs. Someone
> else probably knows if it's an actual rule or only a common practice. In
> any case, I like the consistency of it. Having icons only on a few
> buttons would feel incomplete, especially since plugins can contribute
> dialogs.
>
> More of a general problem (but it would multiply with a rule to add
> icons to buttons): icons should be taken from the same icon set or have
> at least the same style and it's going to be hard to find unique icons
> for some of the buttons (e.g. "Use system font", "Go to default", etc).
>
> There are a lot of other places in the Eclipse IDE UI where Icons a
> perfectly fine, but not in dialogs, IMHO.
>
> Regards,
>
> Fred
>
> On 25.09.19 11:45, Becker, Matthias wrote:
> > Dear Eclipse experts,
> >
> >
> >
> > today I had a discussion with co-workers and I also want your feedback
> > on that topic.
> >
> > It’s about Text and/or Icons on (Standard) Buttons:
> >
> >
> >
> > Today we see a lot of dialogs in Eclipse where we have buttons that only
> > have text but no icons.
> >
> > On example is Platforms “Available Update Sites” preference page.
> >
> >
> >
> > There we have Add, Remove, Edit, … on the right hand side of the table.
> >
> > Btw: Should the “Edit” button not be “Edit…”?
> >
> >
> >
> > Also JDT’s “Change Method Signature” refactoring dialog has a similar
> > pattern:
> >
> >
> >
> > In contrast to that let’s have a look at the “Rebase Interactive” view
> > from EGIT:
> >
> >
> >
> > Here we also have buttons. But they all have icons and in addition they
> > have text below the icons. I find the UI design of the interactive
> > rebase view really good. The “first time users” (that maybe
> >
> > don’t know the meaning of some icons) can directly read the text (and
> > don’t need to hover with the mouse) and will (maybe) learn the icons.
> > In addition there’s a context menu and we have key binding for the
> > various actions.
> >
> >
> >
> > Let’s have a look at an additional location of icons and text. The
> > perspective switcher:
> >
> > Here we also have Icons and text (but not on the right hand side) by
> > default but the “power user” can switch the text off.
> >
> >
> >
> > What’s the reason for not having icons on the other locations? The Add,
> > Remove, Up, Down and Edit buttons could also get icons (that already
> > either already exist in Eclipse or are known by “everybody” from every
> > day’s life).
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Matthias
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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