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Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] FW: [Doug on the Eclipse CDT] New comment on "Eclipse smells kind of dead"???.

My guess is that part of the problem in the past is that no one actually cared about the Eclipse IDE, especially as downloaded from eclipse.org. Most committers I know that work on IDE bits work for companies that distribute their own IDE products.

This has been mentioned in an earlier thread somewhere (probably twitter), but I wonder if it is time to form an Eclipse IDE PMC who's mandate would be to care about this, if not as individuals, at least as an organization.

Doug.

From: Pascal Rapicault <pascal.rapicault@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Date: Monday, 15 July, 2013 7:05 PM
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Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] FW: [Doug on the Eclipse CDT] New comment on "Eclipse smells kind of dead"???.

Is that a hardware limitation or personnel one?

I’m asking because despite the retirement of UDC, it is still widely used by several corporations (Google, Ericsson,…) to track Eclipse internal usage, so I’m thinking that there may be ppl ready to help.

From: cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Wayne Beaton
Sent: July-15-13 1:00 PM
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Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] FW: [Doug on the Eclipse CDT] New comment on "Eclipse smells kind of dead"???.

 

It's an interesting thought.

But it sounds a lot like the Usage Data Collector (UDC). Unfortunately, we didn't collect this sort of information and the UDC has been shut down.

Any time you "call home", you're going to make somebody angry. There are always privacy issues to consider. This means that some sort of UI element is required to allow the user to opt in.

At this point in time, we do not have the resources to re-implement the UDC or something like it.

Wayne

On 07/15/2013 12:53 PM, Mickael Istria wrote:

On 07/15/2013 06:44 PM, Konstantin Komissarchik wrote:

Regarding default preferences, the “best” thing to do is to capture what preferences the users are tweaking using an automated usage collection system. Then one can produce a report showing, for instance, how many users prefer line numbers in the margin. If the stats really do favor line numbers, then the default setting should be revisited regardless of history. If the stats show the opposite, then the reports can be published, which should partly help to pacify those who incorrectly assume that their preference is representative of the majority.

+1, that's a good idea.
In any case, such reports should be made public. It shows users that they have some control on the deliveries. And their content will be very nice input to the most famous trolls of code style (tab vs margins, 80 columns...).

Should I open a bug to suggest this "Preference Collector" mechanism?

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