Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] FW: [Doug on the Eclipse CDT] New comment

[Ed Willink <ed@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi

That's exactly what I mean by 'less prejudiced'.

The project committers can always produce a long list of reasons for 
WONTFIX, often including time/money.

The users can produce a long list of WIBNIFs.

If an independent view considers the benefits are genuine and outweigh 
the problems, then it may be that once time/money is available a way 
should be found.

Perhaps an overruled WONTFIX could attract 'funding' from a foundation 
let's-not-suck fund.

Ultimately if there is something that the user's resonably want, I feel 
that we should be looking for a way to provide it.

    Regards

        Ed Willink


On 12/07/2013 18:57, Ed Merks wrote:
> Igor,
>
> I think it's even stronger than that.  In the end, WONTFIX shouldn't 
> mean "I don't have time or I don't feel like it" but rather "it's 
> working as designed and changing it isn't what I believe is 
> appropriate".  As such, even if someone provided a "fix," that's not 
> what's desired.   Committers have the right and in fact an obligation 
> to maintain design integrity; sometimes that annoys people.    In any 
> case, we're not obligated to spend every waking moment of every day to 
> fix every reported problem, though it sometimes feels that way....
>
> Regards,
> Ed
>
>
> On 12/07/2013 7:26 PM, Igor Fedorenko wrote:
> > How is this going to help? In most/all cases bugs are not fixed because
> > nobody comes forward with quality fixes. Weather somebody says "it needs
> > to be fixed" does not matter unless his/her words are backed up by the
> > code.
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> > Igor
> >
> > On 2013-07-12 11:50 PM, Ed Willink wrote:
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > Get a committer from a related but independent project to review the
> > > Bugzilla discussion to form a less prejudiced on view on whether the
> > > WONTFIX is justified.
> > >
> > >      Regards
> > >
> > >          Ed Willink
> > >
> > > On 12/07/2013 17:25, Doug Schaefer wrote:
> > > > It is. And I'm sure there are hate sites for every tool people use.
> > > > Eclipse isn't unique that way.
> > > >
> > > > My point is that user experience is so important to our success, we
> > > > need to be sensitive to the issues our users are facing. There are a
> > > > lot of such issues marked WONTFIX, and CDT is as guilty of that as
> > > > anyone. I'm just wondering how we fix it.
> > > >
> > > > Doug.
> > >
> > >
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