Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Europa Fall Maintenance still in progress

[Markus Knauer <mknauer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Updated EPP packages are available:

  http://www.eclipse.org/epp/download.php

They are based on:

# Eclipse Platform 3.3.1.1: R-3.3.1-200709211145
# Europa Update Site: 2007-10-02

Please note that they are still not available from all mirrors.

These are the packages I want to release if I don't get a veto in the next 24 
hours.

Markus


On Monday 29 October 2007 05:57, Mik Kersten wrote:
> Thanks Markus.  Please post when the updated EPP packages are available.
>
> Details: we still hope that the Mylyn features don't need to be changed,
> but we need to test the updated packaging once they are available.  The
> issue here is that with the JEE packaging, for some workspace/machine/vm
> configurations Mylyn will occasionally dump warnings to the Error Log on
> startup if none of its UI gets loaded.  We have had numerous reports of
> this with the JEE packagning but still don't have any indication of any bad
> behavior that would result.  However, as of the Europa Fall Update there
> has been considerable confusion with users associating the PermGen problem
> with the Mylyn warnings and we have seen many logs with both entries side
> by side, so want to do more thorough testing with the new packagings.
>
> Mik
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cross-
> > project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Markus Knauer
> > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 5:05 AM
> > To: Cross project issues
> > Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Europa Fall Maintenance still
> > in progress?
> >
> > EPP: Packages based on Platform 3.3.1.1 and the (old!) Europa Update
> > Site are
> > already on my local hard disk and I will upload them today to the EPP
> > download page. Then we can decide until Monday, if we push them to the
> > main
> > Eclipse download page, or not.
> >
> > AFAIK, there was no clear decision on how to proceed with the Europa
> > Update
> > Site. In my opinion, these two (Europa Update Site and EPP packages)
> > should
> > contain the same content, which means I am updating the packages if and
> > only
> > if the Europa Update Site will be updated to a Europa
> > Fall-Maintenance-Maintenance version. We all should keep in mind, that
> > the
> > fixes in the Eclipse Platform addressed real show-stoppers, release
> > critical
> > bugs, and the decision for this bug-fix release was done by the PMC.
> >
> > First of all, we must decide if we change the complete Europa Update
> > Site
> > content or not, then we can think about a possible schedule for new EPP
> > packages.
> >
> > At the end of this email I would like to draw your attention to an
> > interesting
> > debate in the EPP newsgroup about our policies:
> > http://dev.eclipse.org/newslists/news.eclipse.technology.packaging/msg0
> > 0100.html
> > It would be very nice to get more feedback from the community in this
> > important discussion.
> >
> > Markus
> >
> > On Friday 26 October 2007 22:21, Mik Kersten wrote:
> > > Is there any a schedule for the EPP bundling yet?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Platform has updated 3.3.1.1.  Mylyn is in the process of evaluating
> > > whether the 3.3.1.1 fix addresses some problems that were attributed
> >
> > to
> >
> > > Mylyn.  We have a bug where Mylyn warnings are dumped to the Error
> >
> > Log, and
> >
> > > within a couple of hours will figure out whether we want to push that
> >
> > fix
> >
> > > into the upcoming EPP update (e.g. bug 188524
> > > <https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=188524> ).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Mik
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: eclipse.org-planning-council-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:eclipse.org-planning-council-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> >
> > Of Mik
> >
> > > Kersten
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 11:30 AM
> > > To: 'eclipse.org-planning-council'
> > > Subject: RE: [eclipse.org-planning-council] Europa Fall Maintenance
> >
> > still
> >
> > > in progress?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Mylyn is not currently planning on updating our Europa Fall Update
> > > features. However, just in case it would be good to know what the
> >
> > 3.3.1.1
> >
> > > release and EPP bundling schedule is, e.g. by adding a line to:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >   http://wiki.eclipse.org/Europa#Coordinated_Maintenance
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Mik
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: eclipse.org-planning-council-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:eclipse.org-planning-council-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> >
> > Of
> >
> > > Oberhuber, Martin
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 10:11 AM
> > > To: eclipse.org-planning-council
> > > Subject: RE: [eclipse.org-planning-council] Europa Fall Maintenance
> >
> > still
> >
> > > in progress?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hmm....
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > thanks for the explanation, Bjorn.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Wouldn't it be a good idea to decide about at least potentially
> >
> > promoting
> >
> > > or not BEFORE we all silently update our features?
> > >
> > > Because if we decide in the end to not promote anything in the end,
> >
> > quite
> >
> > > some work will have been in vain...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I, personally, think it's a good idea to re-spin at least together
> >
> > with the
> >
> > > Platform's re-spin such that we have
> > >
> > > a full-blown New Europa Fall Maintenance in the end.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm also OK with re-spinning Maintenance more often, even though this
> >
> > makes
> >
> > > the build non-reproducable
> > >
> > > (what would "the maintenance release" then be after all... bug
> >
> > reports and
> >
> > > the like would need to include
> > >
> > > a date at which the build was taken).
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > --
> > > Martin Oberhuber
> > > Wind River Systems, Inc.
> > > Target Management Project Lead, DSDP PMC Member
> > > http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >   _____
> > >
> > > From: eclipse.org-planning-council-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:eclipse.org-planning-council-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> >
> > Of
> >
> > > Bjorn Freeman-Benson
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 6:54 PM
> > > To: eclipse.org-planning-council
> > > Subject: Re: [eclipse.org-planning-council] Europa Fall Maintenance
> >
> > still
> >
> > > in progress?
> > >
> > > I guess I should add: this is the same that we did at the beginning
> >
> > of
> >
> > > July: the mechanism to re-spin the build was used, but in the end we
> > > decided not to promote it to the download site. We may choose to do
> >
> > the
> >
> > > same, or not, this time.
> > >
> > > Oberhuber, Martin wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > there have been discussions about re-spinning
> > > Europa Fall Maintenance -- potentially with
> > > the Re-spin of Eclipse 3.3.1.1 that's ongoing.
> > >
> > > I wanted to also be on the train, and updated
> > > the features-dsdp-tm.xml with some patches
> > > we've made in the meantime.
> > >
> > > When I synchronized, I noticed that 10 other
> > > projects also seem to have updated their features.
> > >
> > > Do we have some silent agreement that Europa
> > > Maintenance is being re-spun periodically? Or
> > > is this a one-time special case?
> > > I'm OK with either, I was just surprised since
> > > we had that discussion beginning of July, and
> > > decided at that time to not do it...
> > >
> > > What does the Community think? Or did I miss
> > > any decision that's been made?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > --
> > > Martin Oberhuber
> > > Wind River Systems, Inc.
> > > Target Management Project Lead, DSDP PMC Member
> > > http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm
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> >
> > --
> > Markus Knauer
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