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RE: [cdt-dev] Do we really need a refresh in Debug View?

Option 3 for me
I've put my comments in the bug

From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Pawel Piech
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 7:36 PM
To: CDT General developers list.
Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] Do we really need a refresh in Debug View?

It seems that there was a little bit of a misunderstanding about this change when we discussed it on the mailing list. 

Option 1:
Remove refresh buttons from all debugger views (this is what I thought we were doing).

Option 2:
Remove the refresh button from Debug view only (this is what Navid requested when this thread opened).

Option 3:
Link the refresh buttons to the Debug Update Modes action set (so that they appear only when the action set is active).  This is what my original intention for this feature was IMO a reasonable compromise.

If you have a strong opinion, please weigh in in bug 299834.


Marc Khouzam wrote:
+1 on what John said below.

From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Cortell
Sent: January-18-10 10:09 AM
To: CDT General developers list.; CDT General developers list.
Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] Do we really need a refresh in Debug View?

My main argument is for giving the user the general ability to refresh debugger views on demand, as I feel the need for it was being questioned. I think it's a valid need and a feature CDT should provide. I think it's useful to have that control on a per-view granularity, but I don't feel terribly strongly about that. If it were made optional, that seems fine to me; and if the per-view control wasn't there, oh well. But what I do feel strongly about is that the capability be there at a minimum as a global action (refresh all views) that is by default hidden. When I first responded to this thread, I believed the action in the Debug view refreshed all views.

At 11:16 AM 1/17/2010, Doug Schaefer wrote:

On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Daniel Jacobowitz <dan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 03:53:06PM -0600, John Cortell wrote:
>    "basic debugging" category. Embedded debuggers fall into the "advanced"
>    one. My guess is CDT is used more in the embedded world than the desktop
>    one.

I really have to disagree.  There are advanced and basic users in both
embedded and desktop environments, and supporting the basic users is
very important.  The more buttons you give a new user the less they
like your product in my experience.

+1 My pet peeve is UIs that are overloaded with buttons. It's very intimidating for new users. Buttons should only be provided for the most basic operations that are used most often. Everything else should be in a menu. And even then it should only be shown when and where applicable.

If the main - not only, but main - way to get in trouble is using the
debug console, then maybe the debug console is where the action should
be?  Even if it's not only useful for the console, that seems like a
reasonable place for it.

Daniel Jacobowitz
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